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This podcast episode delves into the concept of leadership and its significance in the Church. The speaker questions the use of the term 'leadership' and highlights the lack of a clear and agreed-upon definition. They argue that the fascination with leadership is often fueled by a desire for power and control. The influence of Hollywood's portrayals of mythological heroes and violence is also explored, highlighting its impact on the perception of leadership. The episode emphasizes the need to shift focus back to Christ and away from a fixation on leadership, advocating for a return to collective prayer and adherence to a rule of life. The dangers of reducing the role of the Church to survival and the importance of embracing the true essence of Christianity are also discussed.