The Rich Roll Podcast The Atlantic’s Nick Thompson Is The Fastest Runner In Publishing: On Setting Age-Group Records, Beating Cancer, & Why Media Must Survive AI
In this engaging discussion, Nick Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, shares his insights as an elite marathoner and author of The Running Ground. He reflects on how running serves as a mirror for personal growth and resilience, revealing deep psychological patterns. Nick candidly addresses his journey through cancer, the complexities of familial ties, and the gripping challenges posed by AI in media. He emphasizes the importance of perseverance, the lessons from his father's struggles, and how running intertwines with life’s bigger questions.
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Running As A Mirror To Self
- Running's simplicity makes it a powerful lens to track inner growth and aging over time.
- Nick Thompson argues running reveals deep psychological patterns because success and failure are unmistakably yours.
Running Is A Moving Meditation
- Solo, repetitive running creates a liminal space for introspection comparable to meditation.
- Thompson says running triggers mental states that surface character defects and opportunities for change.
Use Short Intervals To Reset Pace Fear
- Do targeted speed work to change what your body and mind expect from a race pace.
- Thompson improved marathon times by adding short intervals and focused tempo sessions with elite coaching.
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Intro
00:00 • 3min
Why Running Reveals Deep Psychological Patterns
03:25 • 54sec
Nick Thompson: From Editor to Elite Runner
04:18 • 6min
Running as Solo Practice for Introspection
10:20 • 2min
Meditation, Stoicism, and the Discipline of Running
12:27 • 4min
Dissociation in Ultras and Time Perception
16:40 • 5min
How Coaching and Mindset Produced a Big Performance Jump
21:10 • 3min
Racing During COVID and Age-Group Records
24:39 • 1min
Rolling Peaks: Aging, Training, and Performance
26:07 • 3min
Transitioning to Ultras: Lessons from Failure
29:03 • 4min
Structuring a Memoir That Interweaves Running and Family
33:10 • 2min
Michael Westfall’s Story: Running Through Parkinson’s
34:57 • 4min
Ad break
38:56 • 3min
Managing Stress: Control What You Can
42:20 • 3min
Book Themes: Fathers, Inheritance, and Reconciliation
44:50 • 2min
Family Patterns: Discovering a Grandfather’s Echoes
47:11 • 1min
The Rise and Fall of Nick's Father
48:15 • 7min
Fear of Becoming Your Parent and Sibling Conversations
55:10 • 2min
Running as Connection and Distance from His Father
57:25 • 2min
Early Running Identity: High School and Stanford Trials
59:41 • 21min
Career Upheavals: Fired from CBS and Finding Journalism
01:20:40 • 9min
Cancer Diagnosis, Treatment, and Post-Traumatic Growth
01:29:26 • 14min
Finding Professional Fit: From Editor to Media CEO
01:43:03 • 6min
Balancing Ongoing Competitiveness with Family Life
01:48:40 • 6min
Pursuing Age-Group Records and Ultra Opportunities
01:54:27 • 5min
How The Atlantic Is Adapting to a Changing Media Landscape
01:59:35 • 2min
AI’s Threat to Reality and Media’s Role
02:01:33 • 3min
Possible Paths: Regulating AI and Building Defenses
02:05:00 • 7min
Teaching Kids to Use AI Wisely
02:11:38 • 6min
AI as a Training and Productivity Tool
02:17:55 • 26sec
Final Wisdom: Running as a Tiny Perceptible Tailwind
02:18:21 • 3min
Outro
02:20:55 • 2min
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Nick Thompson is CEO of The Atlantic, an elite marathoner, and author of the memoir The Running Ground.
This conversation explores how running reveals our deepest inherited patterns. We discuss Nick's journey from getting fired from CBS in under an hour to running The Atlantic, reconciling with his brilliant father's tragic collapse, setting age-group records at 50, and why AI threatens the very nature of reality.
We also discuss why the simple act of running becomes a portal for understanding your deepest patterns.
Nick offers profound lessons in post-traumatic growth. And he shares them generously. Enjoy!
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