

Ep. 138: David Allen talks with Brian Robertson
Jan 18, 2022
David Allen, author of the influential productivity book "Getting Things Done," joins Brian Robertson, the creator of Holacracy, a revolutionary self-organization model. They discuss the fascinating intersections of individual and organizational productivity. The conversation covers how GTD's practices can enhance collective frameworks, the importance of aligning personal intentions with actions, and the evolution of leadership in collaborative environments. Their insights reveal how empowered teams can overcome traditional hierarchies for greater efficiency.
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Allen's Holacracy Adoption
- David Allen, struggling to run his company effectively, sought a self-organizing model.
- He discovered Holacracy at a conference and implemented it, seeing positive changes.
Individual vs. Organizational GTD
- Even with individual GTD proficiency, organizational messes can still arise.
- This disconnect between individual and organizational clarity sparked Brian Robertson's exploration of Holacracy.
Casting Agent Example
- Brian Robertson shares an example of a junior employee using Holacracy to request documentation of speaking engagement criteria.
- This highlights Holacracy's empowerment and low-friction communication, regardless of hierarchy.