The Modern People Leader: Forward-Thinking HR 171 - HR Leaders wanting to work at people-first orgs - ask these questions in your interview: Stacey Nordwall (VP of People Strategy, Pyn)
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Apr 11, 2024 Stacey Nordwall, VP of People Strategy at Pyn, discusses the burnout cycle in HR, advice for exhausted people leaders, and questions to vet people-first orgs during interviews. She also touches on the evolving role of HR leaders, red flags in the interview process, and the importance of asking specific questions to evaluate company culture.
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From Psych Student To HR Leader
- Stacey Nordwall describes her winding path into HR after psychology and counseling studies, unexpectedly finding a fit in startup people work.
- She emailed a startup asking to be hired, built people processes from 30 to 400 employees, and later joined Pyn as VP of People Strategy.
Why HR Burnout Is Systemic
- Burnout in HR stems from historic admin roots, ongoing perceptions of HR as a cost center, and constant under-resourcing.
- The field is also majority women, which layers caregiving and stereotype pressures onto burnout risk.
Perception, Not Always Competence
- Persistent disbelief in HR's strategic value often reflects senior leaders' outdated mindsets and cultural biases, not HR capability gaps.
- Storytelling and different thought leaders are needed to shift perceptions and make HR's business impact clear.