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Money Talks: The Zero-sum Mistake

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Sep 15, 2026
Roy Swan, Ford Foundation mission-investment director and author of Positive Sum, explores how finance can pursue social impact alongside returns. He discusses foundations investing beyond grantmaking, capitalism’s zero-sum misreadings, employee ownership, empathy at work, regulation, and the Powell Memo’s influence. The conversation also examines trust, collective action, nonprofit movements, and making positive-sum capitalism appealing to powerful business leaders.
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Impact Investing Prices In Social Consequences

  • Impact investing evaluates financial returns alongside positive and negative social externalities.
  • Pollution illustrates how companies can shift costs onto taxpayers while shareholders benefit.
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Foundations Are Rethinking The Five Percent Rule

  • Foundations often treat the legally required 5% annual payout as a ceiling rather than a floor.
  • Mission-driven foundations including Ford, McKnight, and California Endowment increasingly dedicate investments as well as grants to their missions.
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Capitalism Was Taught Through Selective Readings

  • Roy Swan argues that capitalism was taught through selective readings that emphasized self-interest over ethics and stakeholder responsibility.
  • He says Adam Smith and Milton Friedman both supported moral conduct, worker care, and community responsibility.
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