Spirit Gym with Paul Chek
EP 273 — Edmund Knighton: Ra and Steiner
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Quick takeaways
- Ra and Steiner have different philosophies but also share common beliefs about God, reincarnation, and karma.
- Both Ra and Steiner emphasize the importance of exploring consciousness through practices like introspection and astral work.
- Ra distinguishes between time-space and space-time, while Steiner discusses entering time-space during sleep for teachings and insights.
- Consciousness evolves from minerals to humans in hierarchical levels according to both Steiner and Ra.
- Soul is discussed in the context of human beings by both Steiner and Ra, with the potential for higher consciousness and love.
- Both Steiner and Ra stress the importance of reflection, intention, and action for personal growth and spiritual development.
Deep dives
The Nature of God
Ra describes God as the one infinite creator, the source of everything. Steiner also acknowledges the existence of God and emphasizes the importance of having a balanced and comprehensive understanding of God through various perspectives.
Reincarnation and Karma
Both Ra and Steiner believe in the concept of reincarnation and karma. Ra suggests that the timing and nature of reincarnation can vary greatly, while Steiner proposes a cycle of incarnating in both male and female bodies.
Dreaming and Consciousness
Ra and Steiner acknowledge the significance of dreaming and the exploration of consciousness during sleep. They encourage practices such as introspection, hypnagogic exercises, and astral work to deepen spiritual experiences and enhance continuity of consciousness.
Relationship with Time and Space
Ra distinguishes between time-space and space-time, where the former involves non-physical existence and the latter refers to the physical realm. Steiner also discusses entering time-space consciously during sleep to receive teachings and insights for the following day.
The Progression of Consciousness from Mineral to Human
According to Steiner and Ra, consciousness evolves from the mineral to the human realm through different levels. In Steiner's view, there is a hierarchical progression with higher beings overlighting lower forms of consciousness, such as minerals, plants, and animals. The minerals have a certain purity of consciousness, while plants have the capacity to strive and move towards light. Animals possess self-consciousness and desires due to the astral body. Finally, humans have self-awareness, reflection, and the capacity for a spiritual life. Ra sees a similar progression, with a mind-body-spirit complex representing human consciousness, where self-awareness and the ability to serve others emerges. After this density, there is a phase of harvest, where individuals are transparent in their thoughts, feelings, and actions and have the potential to serve creation.
Conceptions of Soul in Steiner and Ra
In Steiner's teachings, soul is primarily discussed in the context of the human soul. Steiner identifies different aspects of the human soul, such as the head, heart, and hands, which correspond to mind, spirit, and body. For Steiner, soul is present in all beings that possess an inside and an outside, including minerals, plants, animals, and humans. Ra's discussion of soul aligns with the human soul as well, referring to the mind-body-spirit complex. This complex evolves throughout densities, with the potential for higher consciousness and the ability to radiate love and balance.
The Challenge with Concepts of Good and Evil
Concepts of good and evil can be complex and vary depending on perspectives. Steiner doesn't explicitly use the term evil; instead, he speaks of ignorance and the need for enlightening consciousness. Ra mentions that in the negative hierarchy, individuals consciously seek power and control, absorbing life and light at the expense of others. While this brings them a sense of beauty and comfort, it leads to a negative fourth-density planet with a hierarchical power struggle. The challenge lies in the potential inspiration that arises from witnessing the intensity and focus of service-to-self individuals, which can motivate individuals on the service-to-others path to radiate love and seek a harmonious path.
Balancing Reflection and Intention
Both Steiner and Ra emphasize the importance of reflection and intention as part of spiritual development and personal growth. Engaging in reflection helps individuals gain insights and awareness of their thoughts, behaviors, and desires. Through this reflection, individuals can recognize areas for improvement and set intentions for change in their lives. Creating intentions allows for conscious transformation and aligning actions with values. Both teachings acknowledge that action is crucial in spiritual development and evolving consciousness. Spiritual work involves not only reflection but also implementing and living by one's intentions.
Podcast Summary: Raw's Approach to World Events
Raw's approach towards the current world events is not to concern themselves with the conditions of the harvest or the turmoil happening on Earth. Their focus is on teaching the Law of One, a universal teaching that spans across all densities.
Podcast Summary: Steiner's Perspective on World Events
Steiner's perspective on world events is focused on the progression of human beings from being human to becoming angelic. He envisions a stepwise approach where humanity evolves towards telepathic communication and works in harmony, eventually transitioning to a more silicon-based body that radiates light.
Podcast Summary: Insights for Navigating World Events
To navigate through the current world events, it is important to disconnect from mainstream media and focus on studying wise and spiritually evolved individuals. The key is to ask oneself, 'What would love do?' and to seek greater understanding and personal growth by delving deep into wisdom teachings and pursuing spiritual practices.
Throughout Paul’s life, two of his most important mentors have been Ra and Rudolf Steiner. But how compatible are their philosophies?
Paul examines how the principles of Steiner and Ra differ and converge with help from Edmund Knighton, a clinical psychologist and leading scholar on Anthroposophy, in this Living 4D conversation that will leave you questioning your perceptions about everything!
For Living 4D listeners: Join Edmund along with featured speakers Paul, Laird Hamilton and Alex Grey for the upcoming 12-week online men’s group, Be Here… man, at the Be Here Farm + Nature website. Save $500 on joining this special group by mentioning the code CHEK4D when you enroll.
Timestamps
- Edmund’s challenging childhood as the son of parents who married four times apiece. (5:12)
- Edmund’s path to the Waldorf School and clinical psychology. (18:13)
- Time to find a new way by actively listening. (23:18)
- Edmund’s delightful answer about what God is. (30:53)
- “Have you had one original thought today?” (39:38)
- Space time versus time space. (51:32)
- Are you 100 percent open to new possibilities? (58:39)
- What’s more important: Intellect or the wisdom of the heart as intelligence? (1:08:54)
- Indirect possibilities. (1:22:21)
- Has a day gone by that you’ve not judged something? (1:29:22)
- Density levels. (1:47:51)
- A negative fourth density planet. (2:00:23)
- The tremendous responsibilities that come with love. (2:13:25)
- Harvest from the perspectives of Ra and Steiner. (2:22:51)
- The higher self. (2:30:16)
Resources
- The work of Maurice Merleau-Ponty, Christian Rosenkreuz and David Suzuki
- Buddha in Redface by Eduardo Duran
- Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life by Marshall Rosenberg
- Paul’s Living 4D conversations with Jared Pickard and James Tunney
- Paul’s Living 4D podcast on Lucifer-Christ-Ahriman
- Paul’s solo Living 4D podcast on The People Who Changed My Life
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