The Universe Within Podcast Ep. 157 - Todd Roberts & Lacey Ann Luna - The Medicine Path: Ayahuasca & Shipibo Lineage
Apr 30, 2025
Todd Roberts and Lacey Ann Luna, co-founders of Intertwining Medicines, share their deep-rooted experiences in the Shipibo ayahuasca tradition. They explore transformative journeys of healing, particularly during the COVID pandemic, and highlight the challenges of facilitating ceremonies. The duo discusses the balance between genuine spiritual callings and ego-driven desires, the complexities of morality, and the significance of integrity in healing practices. Their insights into plant intelligence and cultural respect offer a profound perspective on the evolving landscape of ayahuasca retreats.
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Lacey's Healing Journey
- Lacey's healing journey began with yoga, which led her to plant medicines starting with Huachuma and then Ayahuasca in Peru.
- She experienced transformative shifts and developed a passion for combining yoga and ayahuasca in retreats honoring the Shipibo tradition.
What Draws People to Continue
- The pull to continue ayahuasca work often involves deep personal healing and a relationship with the medicine beyond casual experience.
- Community, vulnerability, and witnessing growth separate casual participants from lifelong path followers.
Understanding Plant Intelligence
- Plant intelligence is an intersection of plant consciousness and human consciousness, often experienced as downloads or guidance during ceremonies.
- Differentiating between one's own mind and plant spirit becomes clearer with time, especially through dreaming and dieting practices.