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The Lawfare Podcast
Protecting Civilians in Gaza and Beyond with Marc Garlasco and Emily Tripp
Jan 18, 2024
Marc Garlasco, civilian harm reduction advocate, and Emily Tripp, military policy expert, discuss the state of civilian harm worldwide, the Pentagon's groundbreaking policy on civilian harm reduction, and efforts to get U.S. allies and partners to buy in. They emphasize the need for better protections for civilians in conflict zones and the challenges of future administrations ignoring or removing policies aimed at protecting civilians. The speakers also discuss the importance of safeguarding personal information online and the evolving relationship between NGOs and the military.
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- The Department of Defense released a policy on civilian harm reduction, acknowledging the need to count and address civilian harm in warfare.
- Civilian harm globally is dire, with many deaths remaining unacknowledged or underreported, highlighting the need for better clarity and a more comprehensive approach to protection and accountability.
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The Importance of Defining Civilian Harm
Civilian harm goes beyond just casualties and includes the long-term effects and secondary consequences of warfare. The Department of Defense (DoD) released a new policy on civilian harm reduction motivated by previous failures in protecting civilians. The policy recognizes the need to count and address civilian harm, ensuring proper tracking and understanding of how and why civilians are affected. While the DoD's definition of civilian harm is a step forward, there are concerns regarding the phrase 'mere inconveniences' and the lack of clarity on location specificity. The policy also requires working with allies and partners, with sea maps created to assess their civilian harm mitigation efforts. However, there are criticisms regarding the additive approach rather than the deduction of support for allies who don't meet adequate standards.
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