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67. A Tale of Two Spies: The former heads of MI5 and MI6 on the Iraq War, double agents, and the IRA
Mar 31, 2024
Former heads of MI5 and MI6, Eliza Manningham-Buller and John Sawers, discuss the ethics of intelligence work, evolving terrorism threats, challenges in handling covert sources, the courage of informants, Russian interference in elections, and navigating global challenges like climate change. They reflect on legal compliance in British intelligence and propose updates to governance principles.
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- Gender diversity and overcoming stereotypes in intelligence agencies.
- Ethical dilemmas and nuances in intelligence work.
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Eliza Manningham-Buller's Unconventional Entry into MI5
Eliza Manningham-Buller's journey into MI5 began unexpectedly when she encountered a man at a drinks party who recognized her potential. Despite facing gender discrimination and being initially relegated to a subordinate role, she and other women worked to break through stereotypical roles and change the organization's policies.
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