

CHRISTINE WEBB: challenging human exceptionalism
Oct 9, 2025
Christine Webb, a primatologist and author of 'The Arrogant Ape,' dives into the complexity of primate cognition and the implications for human exceptionalism. She shares a transformative encounter with a baboon that shifted her perspective on animal minds. The conversation explores how empathy develops in children, critiques lab research ethics, and challenges the categorization of human intellect. Webb emphasizes the importance of connecting with animals and unlearning narratives of superiority to foster a deeper relationship with nature.
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Baboon Appeasement Changed Her View
- Christine Webb recounts a juvenile baboon, Bear, who approached her after a mobbing and made an appeasement grimace.
- That gesture convinced her the baboon understood her fear and possibly sought to make amends.
Human Exceptionalism Is Largely Learned
- Developmental studies and videos show young children don't start with human-exceptionalist moral priorities.
- Exposure to animal exploitation appears to teach children to privilege humans over animals.
Grooming Through A Lab Mesh
- Webb describes grooming Macduff through the mesh in a Columbia lab and calls those moments deeply meaningful.
- She felt real connection despite the monkey's confined, deprived conditions.