502: EMDR Art Therapy + Psychedelics with Jocelyn Fitzgerald

Oct 29, 2025

Join board-certified art therapist and EMDR consultant Jocelyn Fitzgerald as she explores the transformative power of creativity in trauma therapy. She shares her experiences working with Eritrean refugee boys, using art and EMDR to connect with nonverbal trauma. The conversation dives into how psychedelics can enhance creativity and neuroplasticity, along with practical techniques like bilateral scribbles for emotional regulation. Jocelyn emphasizes the essential role of humor and playful art in healing, showcasing creativity as a fundamental aspect of human development.

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Refugee Boys Healed With Art + EMDR

Jocelyn used art plus EMDR with Eritrean refugee boys who had limited English and saw rapid behavioral shifts.
The combination reduced outbursts and improved school and foster-family relationships.

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Use Simple Creative Activations

Use bilateral scribbles, imagery, or art to activate clients nonverbally when words fail.
Implement brief creative exercises to access embodied material that talk therapy misses.

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Training Paraprofessionals In Refugee Camps

Jocelyn traveled to the refugees' camp and trained paraprofessionals to use EMDR and creative arts.
The local teams saw strong results treating hidden trauma beyond talk therapy.

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Welcome back to Therapy Chat! This week, I'm joined by Therapist and EMDR Consultant Jocelyn Fitzgerald.

We discussed the integration of creativity in trauma therapy, exploring the power of EMDR combined with creative arts, which she has used in working with refugees. She shared about her book, EMDR and the Creative Arts Therapies. The conversation also delves into the role of psychedelics in therapy, the neuroscience of creativity, and the essential nature of art in human development. Jocelyn shares practical applications for therapists and emphasizes the importance of humor in healing.

Jocelyn Fitzgerald is a board-certified art therapist (ATR-BC), licensed marriage and family therapist, and EMDRIA-approved EMDR Consultant, known for integrating creative arts into trauma therapy. She is the co-author of EMDR and the Creative Arts Therapies and Colorful Place: Mindful Story and Art for Kids, and her work has been featured in Psychotherapy Networker.

With dual master’s degrees in Art Therapy and Marriage and Family Therapy from Notre Dame de Namur University, Jocelyn blends traditional talk therapy with expressive arts to support clients navigating anxiety, depression, and self-harming behaviors. She has worked in diverse clinical settings across the country and served as an adjunct professor at Indiana University and Purdue University. Jocelyn is passionate about helping others live more authentic, connected, and creative lives.

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