Downstream IRL: There’s No Such Thing As Green Capitalism w/ Andreas Malm
Nov 18, 2024
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Andreas Malm, a human ecologist and author of works like Fossil Capital, joins Ash Sarkar to dissect the fraught politics surrounding climate change. They question the feasibility of technological solutions like BECCS and the proper limits for global warming. Malm critiques the delusions of green capitalism, arguing that it often prioritizes profit over genuine environmental efforts. The discussion also touches on the alarming risks linked to climate intervention technologies and the challenge of maintaining focus on climate amid global crises.
The reliance on unproven carbon capture technologies perpetuates the fossil fuel framework, distracting from immediate emissions reductions needed for climate action.
Colombia's progressive transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy highlights how Global South nations can lead meaningful shifts in climate policies.
Deep dives
Engagement Gap on Climate Crisis
There is a significant disparity between public awareness of the climate crisis and actual engagement with related content. Despite repeated surveys indicating audience demand for more climate crisis coverage, consumption metrics reveal low engagement levels with that content. As climate-related extreme weather events become more commonplace, the disconnect between understanding the urgency of the issue and willingness to actively engage remains apparent. This scenario raises questions about why society has become desensitized to the looming catastrophe of climate change.
Concept of Overshoot in Climate Policy
The concept of 'overshoot' in climate modeling suggests that it is acceptable to surpass global warming limits temporarily, under the assumption that future technology will mitigate the damage. This ideological approach emerged as policymakers sought to avoid fundamental changes needed to phase out fossil fuel investments. The reliance on theoretical technologies for carbon capture and storage has become a cornerstone of such models, despite the technologies being largely nonexistent at scale. By promoting overshoot, policymakers perpetuate the current fossil fuel framework rather than committing to necessary upheaval.
Skepticism Towards Carbon Capture Technologies
Skepticism surrounding carbon capture technologies primarily revolves around their practicality and efficiency in addressing climate change. A key technology, Bioenergy Carbon Capture and Storage (BECCS), is criticized for being unproven and requiring vast land resources to operate effectively. The potential for such projects to divert agricultural land away from food production highlights the ethical dilemmas involved. As long as fossil fuel extraction continues unabated, the focus on unproven negative emissions technologies can detract from immediate and essential emissions reductions.
Global and Local Responses to Fossil Fuels
Examples of countries like Colombia demonstrate a commitment to transitioning from fossil fuels to renewable energy despite economic dependencies. The Colombian government, under a left-wing administration, has taken bold steps to cut fossil fuel production and invest in solar and wind solutions. This contrasts sharply with many wealthier nations that continue to increase fossil fuel production for profit. This dynamic underscores the vital role that states in the Global South can play in leading a green transition, challenging the notion that economic limitations prevent action against fossil practices.
Global heating is a serious problem, but the question of just how urgently to fight it is a fraught one. Should 2C or 1.5C of warming be our limit? Or can we blow past these limits now, and come back down to them later, using technology to pull carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere? There’s only one problem: those technologies don’t yet exist.
In this Downstream, Andreas Malm, human ecologist and author with Wim Carton of Overshoot: How the World Surrendered to Climate Breakdown spoke with Ash Sarkar about the delusions of climate change politics, if we should put a big mirror in space to reflect sunlight, and whether the politics of Colombia might be our best hope.
Recorded at Peckham Levels in front of a live audience on November 5th 2024. Set decoration provided by After Noah. Stills by Blaze A. Emin.
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