

Live from the Birthplace of Stoicism (PT. 2) | Ryan Holiday and Donald Robertson (in Greece)
85 snips Jul 26, 2025
Ryan Holiday chats with Donald Robertson, a cognitive-behavioral psychotherapist and expert in the interplay between ancient philosophy and modern therapy. They explore Athens' rich Stoic history, emphasizing key sites tied to Socrates and Marcus Aurelius. The duo shares thoughts on the humor found in Athenian wildlife, like feral tortoises, while contemplating how ancient wisdom informs modern psychological practices. Their conversation weaves through historical narratives, literary exploration, and the importance of integrating Stoic principles into everyday life.
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Concert at Ancient Theater
- Ryan Holiday describes watching a concert at the ancient Herodes Atticus Theater under the Acropolis.
- The venue has hosted events for over 2,000 years, linking present experiences to Stoic history.
Stoicism as CBT Gateway
- Many people encounter cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) mainly through Stoicism.
- Stoicism serves as an accessible entry point to therapy for those uninterested in conventional self-help.
James Stockdale and Stoic Tradition
- Ryan Holiday discusses admiring James Stockdale's Stoic influences including his vintage copy of Epictetus.
- Stockdale represents a 20th-century continuation of the military Stoicism tradition.