The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

314. Consciousness, Chaos and Order | Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris

Dec 15, 2022

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Implicit learning and categorization, which dominate our thinking and behavior, occur unconsciously and shape our perception of the world.

Psychedelics have the potential to disrupt over-learning, provide new perspectives, and reset the system, addressing excessive associative learning and its associated pathologies.

Playfulness and creativity are linked to mental health, counteracting excessive categorization and pathology, and psychedelics may enhance the sense of play and deepen its impact.

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Psychotherapeutic use of psychedelics in cognitive neuroscience

Dr. Robin Carhart Harris, an expert in cognitive neuroscience and psychotherapeutics, discusses the use of psychedelics in psychotherapy and its implications for brain function analysis. He explores the relationship between categorization, implicit learning, and heavy learning, emphasizing the importance of implicit learning and categorization in our daily lives. Dr. Carhart Harris also explores the concept of rebirth or resetting the system through psychedelic experiences, allowing for a refreshed level of novelty and potentially transformative outcomes. He proposes the canalization model of psychopathology, suggesting that excessive associative learning can lead to a range of psychiatric disorders. Additionally, the conversation delves into the role of play and creativity in mental health and its potential to counteract pathologies. The discussion highlights the potential benefits of psychedelic therapy in treating conditions such as obsessive-compulsive disorder and addiction, along with the relationship between play and mental well-being.

The Importance of Repeated Social Interactions in Maintaining Social Ethic

01:37

The Differential Role of Neuroticism and Openness in the Development of Psychopathology

02:48

Studying the Entropic Brain Principle with Psychedelics

01:23

The Bergson/Huxley Model of the Psychedelic Experience

01:51

Introduction

3min

Psychopathology

3min

Rebirth Is Resetting the System

5min

Is Baptism of Fire a Good Idea?

3min

What Are Psychedelics?

4min

Neuroticism

3min

Is There a Disconnect in Neuroticism?

4min

Depressive Realism

4min

The Utility of Persistence in Relation to Depression

5min

10.

Psychotherapy and Addiction

6min

11.

Pathological Over Learning in Psychiatric Disorders

3min

12.

Psychedelics Are Good at Treating Addictions Like Cigarette Smoking

2min

13.

Is the Psychedelic Experience a Reducing Valve?

3min

14.

The Reducing Valve Analogy to Huxley

3min

15.

Psychopathology and Borderline Personality Disorder

5min

16.

Is There a Multitude Within?

3min

17.

Play Is Antithetical to the Psychopathological Enterprise

2min

18.

Play and Creativity and Art Can Go Together

3min

19.

Do the Psychedelics Put More Play in the System?

2min

20.

The Seriousness of Play

2min

21.

Is Local Minimalism a Propagandistic?

3min

22.

Depressive Disorders

2min

23.

Do Psychedelics Affect the Serotonin System?

2min

24.

Neuroticism

4min

25.

Is There a Benefit Without a Cost?

3min

26.

Psychedelic Therapy

2min

27.

Paranoid Schizophrenia

3min

28.

The Attraction of Confidence

3min

29.

Exposure Therapy

3min

30.

Brain Imaging Study of the Psilocybin Experience

2min

31.

Psychedelic Experiences - What Are You Hypothesizing?

1min

32.

The Entropic Brain Principle

3min

33.

The Divine Word Is the Creative Agent

3min

34.

Psychedelics Increases Signatures of Criticality

2min

35.

The Alpha Rhythm in the Human Brain

4min

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Dr Jordan B Peterson and Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris delve into the world of psychedelic research, their utility in therapy, and the impact they can have on neuroticism. They also explore broader aspects of psychopathology, brain imaging, optimized play, and the way trauma can warp our perspectives of the world.

Robin is the Ralph Metzner Distinguished Professor in Neurology and Psychiatry and Director of Neuroscape’s Psychedelics Division at the University of California, San Francisco. He moved to Imperial College London in 2008 after obtaining a PhD in Psychopharmacology from the University of Bristol. Robin has designed human brain imaging studies with LSD, psilocybin, MDMA and DMT, and several clinical trials of psilocybin therapy for severe mental illnesses. Robin founded the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London in April 2019, was ranked among the top 31 medical scientists in 2020, and in 2021, was named in TIME magazine’s ‘100 Next’ – a list of 100 rising stars shaping the future. His research is creating system-level change in mental health care.

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- Chapters -

(0:00) Coming Up

(1:00) Intro

(2:50) Implicit learning

(7:52) Tuned perceptions, warped vantage points

(12:00) Rebirth, rapid new learning

(16:00) Alcoholism, unlearning pain

(20:22) Neuroticism, Freud, and the disconnect

(24:00) Cascading depression

(30:10) Functional depression

(35:30) The source of psychopathology

(46:48) The psychedelic experience

(49:47) Genetic mutation, error correction

(53:30) Micro and macro environments

(56:33) The multitude within

(58:39) Pageau, optimized play

(1:04:00) When play is absent from the system

(1:07:25) Depth of play, levels of engagement

(1:09:55) Local minima

(1:13:29) Psychedelics and antidepressants

(1:17:40) Creative surging under influence

(1:21:30) Every benefit has a cost

(1:23:32) Terrance and Dennis McKenna, false positives

(1:26:15) Paranoid Schizophrenia

(1:29:26) The feeling of confidence vs. uncertainty

(1:33:33) Exposure therapy, building up bravery

(1:35:00) Brain imaging, mapping experience

(1:38:40) Entropic brain principle

(1:40:00) Between order and chaos, Marduk

(1:44:16) Signatures of criticality, the Alpha Rhythm

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

314. Consciousness, Chaos and Order | Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris

Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

Psychotherapeutic use of psychedelics in cognitive neuroscience

Cognitive neuroscience, categorization, and implicit learning

Psychedelics, over-learning, and the potential for reconstitution

The nexus of play, mental health, and creativity

Effects of Psychedelics on Brain Activity

The Relationship between Creativity, Consciousness, and Psychopathology

The Importance of Repeated Social Interactions in Maintaining Social Ethic

The Differential Role of Neuroticism and Openness in the Development of Psychopathology

Studying the Entropic Brain Principle with Psychedelics

The Bergson/Huxley Model of the Psychedelic Experience

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Psychotherapeutic use of psychedelics in cognitive neuroscience

Cognitive neuroscience, categorization, and implicit learning

Psychedelics, over-learning, and the potential for reconstitution

The nexus of play, mental health, and creativity

Effects of Psychedelics on Brain Activity

The Relationship between Creativity, Consciousness, and Psychopathology

The Importance of Repeated Social Interactions in Maintaining Social Ethic

The Differential Role of Neuroticism and Openness in the Development of Psychopathology

Studying the Entropic Brain Principle with Psychedelics

The Bergson/Huxley Model of the Psychedelic Experience

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