Conversations: Fighting the Fed with Armen Panossian, Danielle Poli, and Megan Messina
Aug 8, 2023
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The current environment involves a tug-of-war between fiscal and monetary policy, resulting in uncertainty and both risks and opportunities for investors.
Private equity-backed companies with significant floating rate debt are facing challenges due to the increase in interest rates, presenting risks but also opportunities for investors.
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Tug of War Between Fiscal and Monetary Policy
The current environment involves a tug of war between fiscal and monetary policy. On one hand, the Biden administration has implemented significant stimulus spending, resulting in inflationary pressure. On the other hand, the Federal Reserve is trying to control inflation by raising interest rates. The outcome is uncertain, but a reasonable base case scenario suggests that a deep recession may be avoided, although rates may stay higher for longer. This creates both risks and opportunities for investors, as companies that were financed under a rate regime assuming stable rates may now face over-leveraging, while newly created performing credit under the current rate regime is more conservative. Investors should be cautious and think critically about the political and economic motivations at play.
Concerns About Companies with Floating Rate Debt
Private equity-backed companies that have significant floating rate debt are facing challenges due to the dramatic increase in interest rates. Many of these companies did not hedge their interest rate risk, and now they are dealing with sharply higher borrowing costs. The lack of hedges and unsustainable capital structures may lead to liquidity issues and potential defaults, even without a massive recession. This situation presents risks but also opportunities for investors, as certain distressed companies may offer buying opportunities at lower prices than a few years ago. Additionally, limited capital availability for new deals could benefit managers that can fund with certainty of execution, leading to a shift of power from borrowers to lenders.
CLOs and Changing Market Dynamics
The collateralized loan obligation (CLO) market has evolved over the past decade and experienced changes in the last two years. CLO managers have had to navigate rising interest rates, which have impacted companies' abilities to manage their debt burdens. There are misconceptions about CLOs, with some confusing them with collateralized debt obligations (CDOs). CLOs have protective structures that shield them from immediate distress and foreclosure. The recent rise in interest rates has created opportunities for CLO equity investors, particularly with discounted loans and the value of call and refinancing options. Skilled management and a focus on high-quality bank loans can present attractive opportunities for CLO investors.
Opportunities and Considerations for CLO Investments
In the current environment, focusing on high-quality bank loans trading at a discount can provide opportunities for CLO investments. CLO equity investors can benefit from the potential capital appreciation in a portfolio of discounted loans. It is important to select experienced managers who can navigate market dislocations, focus on quality investments, and employ active management strategies. Taking advantage of options like calling the deal or refinancing at a lower cost of capital can contribute to total return. Understanding the credit quality of loan portfolios and the risks associated with higher interest rates is crucial for CLO equity investors.
Armen Panossian (Head of Performing Credit), Danielle Poli (Assistant Portfolio Manager, Global Credit), and Megan Messina (Head of CLO Capital Markets) discuss topics from the 2Q2023 Performing Credit Quarterly. They consider the current tug-of war between fiscal and monetary policy, opportunities in credit, and what many investors are getting wrong about today’s CLO market.
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