Lisa Curtis, former CIA expert on the region, discusses the CIA's eviction from Afghanistan. Alma Katsu, former CIA and NSA analyst, talks about her new thriller book 'Red Widow'. Topics include US troop withdrawal, challenges for CIA operatives, Taliban's resurgence, and gender equality in the intelligence community.
Foreign assassinations are used by governments, like Russia, to send messages to their own intelligence services.
The withdrawal of the CIA from Afghanistan raises concerns about security, readiness of Afghan forces, and the potential for a Taliban comeback.
Deep dives
Manipulation and Message Sending at the CIA
Working at the CIA involves being skilled manipulators and sending messages through foreign assassinations, according to former intelligence officers. Case officers, who gather information, engage in sophisticated manipulation tactics. The recent poisoning of Navalny, a Russian opposition figure, was allegedly a message from Putin to his own intelligence services, reviving the ruthlessness associated with the old KGB. Former officials suggest the US should confront Russia and give them a stern warning about their malicious activities.
US Withdrawal from Afghanistan and Concerns
The decision to withdraw from Afghanistan by September 11th, the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, has raised concerns about the security situation in the country. Experts worry about the readiness of Afghan security forces to take over and the potential for the Taliban to regain power. There are doubts about the ability to counter the ongoing terrorist threat in Afghanistan without a physical presence on the ground. The CIA's departure from Kabul and limited intelligence collection capabilities will pose challenges. The possibility of a chaotic situation and an exodus of Afghans seeking to leave the country is also a concern.
Uncertain Outlook for Afghanistan: Women's Rights and Terrorist Threats
The situation in Afghanistan remains uncertain as the US prepares to fully withdraw. The potential for a return to Taliban rule is worrying, particularly for women working in NGOs and human rights organizations. In the past, the Taliban targeted women in such positions, raising concerns about their safety. Additionally, the resurgence of terrorist groups poses a continuing threat, with Afghanistan potentially becoming an appealing haven for extremists worldwide. While some argue that terrorist groups can operate from other regions, the symbolic victory and inspiration for extremists that a Taliban-controlled Afghanistan represents cannot be discounted.
Pakistan's Role and Concerns
Pakistan's role and growing support for militant groups is a cause for concern. As the Taliban gains strength in Afghanistan, it may inspire other terrorist groups that operate from Pakistani territory. The potential for an Islamist coup in Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state, is also a worrying possibility. The close relationship between terrorist groups and the Pakistani state increases the risk of instability in the region. The challenges of maintaining intelligence cooperation with Pakistan and mitigating the threat of terrorist attacks are significant.
In this week’s edition of the SpyTalk podcast, Jeff Stein goes deep on the CIA’s looming eviction from Afghanistan with Lisa Curtis, a longtime former CIA, State Department and White House National Security Council expert on the region. And then co-host Jeanne Meserve conducts a lively interview with a former senior CIA and NSA analyst, Alma Katsu, about her new, post-government-service thriller, Red Widow, which features a gutsy female spy heroine.