Alma Katsu, former intelligence pro turned novelist, discusses integrity in storytelling, Bill Burns as CIA chief, writing female-centric spy novels, imposter syndrome, adapting to real-world events in writing, and regulating technology and AI models.

Lisa Curtis, former CIA expert on the region, discusses the CIA's eviction from Afghanistan. Alma Katsu, former CIA and NSA analyst, talks about her new thriller book 'Red Widow'. Topics include US troop withdrawal, challenges for CIA operatives, Taliban's resurgence, and gender equality in the intelligence community.