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Excess Returns

The Soft Landing is a Myth: Here's What's Really Going on in the Economy | Cullen Roche

Mar 20, 2025
Cullen Roche, a renowned financial expert from Discipline Funds, shares his insights on the economy and markets. He challenges the idea of a soft economic landing, emphasizing the complexities involved. Cullen dives into the effects of tariffs as corporate taxes and their inflationary potential. He assesses the national debt's risks while addressing government spending implications. Furthermore, he critiques the bond market's sophistication and discusses how AI technologies are reshaping productivity within corporations.
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  • Cullen Roche challenges the notion of a soft landing by framing the economy as a constant flight requiring careful navigation against inflation risks.
  • The podcast critiques tariffs as a corporate tax that may push costs onto consumers, complicating the outlook for corporate profitability and market valuations.

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Understanding Fed Policies and Economic Navigation

The Fed's recent interest rate hikes have sparked discussions about their effectiveness in achieving a so-called soft landing for the economy. Rather than a traditional takeoff and landing metaphor, the economy is framed as one that perpetually 'flies', necessitating careful navigation to avoid turbulence, particularly from inflation. The speaker emphasizes that while the Fed has done a commendable job in slowing the economy to manage inflation following the COVID-19 pandemic, challenges remain in stabilizing growth rates back to pre-COVID levels. The expectation is for a moderate return to growth rates, but the blunt nature of Fed policies can sometimes lead to inverted yield curves, indicating potential recessions if not managed properly.

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