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 Hello Monday with Jessi Hempel Is College Still Worth It? Kathleen deLaski on Rethinking the 4-year Degree
 Jun 9, 2025 
 Kathleen deLaski, a social entrepreneur and founder of the Education Design Lab, discusses her book, *Who Needs College Anymore?*. She challenges the outdated belief that a four-year degree is essential for career success. Kathleen highlights the experiences of the 62% of Americans who don't complete a degree and advocates for the increasing importance of community colleges and skills-based programs. The conversation emphasizes the shift in mindset needed for students and parents as they navigate the evolving job market and educational landscape. 
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Four-Year Degree Not Only Path
- The dominant belief that a four-year degree is the only path to a good job is outdated.
- Most Americans either don't start or finish college but still find diverse success pathways.
College ROI Has Changed
- College used to guarantee higher pay and a good job starter in the 1990s.
- Now debt and disrupted hiring make college less sure as an investment.
Art Graduate's Career Pivot
- A recent art graduate learned graphic design but hears that job is disappearing.
- She pivots to UX/UI, showing uncertainty young learners face now.


