Nicholas Bagley, former General Counsel to Governor Gretchen Whitmer, highlights the bureaucratic entanglements hampering government effectiveness. Kathy Stack and Jenny Mattingley, veterans of the Office of Management and Budget, discuss the outdated regulations that complicate federal funding processes. They delve into the Paperwork Reduction Act's shortcomings and the need for inter-agency collaboration to streamline data collection. The trio emphasizes the urgent need for reforming bureaucratic structures to enhance policy outcomes and restore public trust in government.