The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Meet the policy architect behind the Green New Deal

Mar 28, 2019

Rhiana Gunn-Wright, the policy architect behind the Green New Deal and a Yale graduate, discusses her ambitious plans to decarbonize the U.S. economy while addressing social equity. She emphasizes the Green New Deal's goals as guiding principles rather than a strict policy document. Gunn-Wright tackles common misconceptions and advocates for urgent action, collaboration, and workforce development to support marginalized communities. She highlights the vital role of the public sector in innovation and the need for inclusive strategies in policy-making.

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Rhiana Gunn-Wright

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Episode notes

Intro

2min

Navigating the Green New Deal

6min

Navigating Policy and Identity

25min

Urgency and Collaboration in the Green New Deal

4min

Equity in the Energy Transition

17min

Reimagining the Role of Government in a Changing Landscape

3min

Reimagining Governance and Workforce Development

25min

Listener Engagement and Comfort in Adventure

2min

Last month, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Ed Markey introduced a Green New Deal resolution, outlining a bold effort to decarbonize the US economy and forestall the worst effects of climate change. Ever since, it has been the talk of the town in Washington, drawing praise and criticism from all quarters.

But most critics completely misunderstood the resolution. It is not a policy document. It is a set of goals and principles meant to guide the development of policy.

The work of fleshing out the policy details is largely in the hands of Rhiana Gunn-Wright, working out of a think tank called New Consensus. Gunn-Wright is busy consulting a broad slate of experts, with the goal of assembling a policy framework that will be ready to go when/if Democrats take power in 2021.

Vox staff writer David Roberts sat down with Gunn-Wright to chat about how she’s approaching this monumental task, why the Green New Deal includes social and economic goals (like full employment) alongside environmental goals, and what she makes of the criticism that the plan is “unrealistic.”

Book recommendations:

The Entrepreneurial State: Debunking Public vs. Private Sector Myths by Mariana Mazzucato

Fear Itself: The New Deal and the Origins of Our Time by Ira Katznelson

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