Mark Leonard's World in 30 Minutes The New Politics with Gladden Pappin
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Aug 22, 2025 
Gladden Pappin, president of the Hungarian Institute of International Affairs and a key figure in transnational conservative thought, dives deep into shifting political paradigms. He discusses the rise of a post-liberal order as a reaction to liberalism's shortcomings. The conversation highlights how American and European conservatism interconnect amidst evolving EU-US relations. Pappin also emphasizes the need for inclusive political discourse, the emergence of new alliances, and the transformative ideas presented in Patrick Deneen's work on governance.
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From US Academia To Budapest
- Gladden Pappin describes leaving US academia to study conservatism in Hungary after 2016 and founding American Affairs to bridge new-right and left concerns.
- He saw Budapest as a vantage point where transatlantic conservative ties were forming and ideas exchanged organically.
Post-Liberalism Reconciles Nation And Economy
- Post-liberalism defends rule of law and rights but critiques liberalism's radical post-Cold War interpretation.
- It argues for reuniting economy and nation to address communities left behind by globalized markets.
Globalization's Missing Human Model
- Globalized supply chains imagined a universally mobile worker that never materialized, leaving many behind.
- That failure revived questions about borders, national identity, and the legitimacy of global institutions.
