In this engaging discussion, Dr. Tucker Peck, a meditation teacher, clinical psychologist, and bestselling author, explores the profound concepts of sanity and sainthood. He contrasts understanding mental processes with the desire for constant happiness. Peck outlines a practical definition of both sanity and sainthood while introducing his three-stage model of meditation. He also discusses the unique intersection of Dharma and psychology, shedding light on how meditation can address severe psychological issues and promote empathy.
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Meditation's True Goal: Sainthood
Meditation aims for sainthood, not constant positive feelings or altered states.
Sainthood involves clear psychological understanding to uproot obstacles to goodness.
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Sanity: Appropriate World Reaction
Meditation reveals the flaws in your psychology, often causing discomfort.
Sanity means reacting appropriately to the world, not being detached or overwhelmed by past events.
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Build Skills Before Full Acceptance
Learn meditation skills methodically, like learning guitar chords.
Avoid accepting all mind states initially; some harmful states need redirection unless you're very advanced.
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Host Michael Taft speaks with meditation teacher, clinical psychologist, and author Dr. Tucker Peck about the the difference between developing a clear understanding of how your psychology works and feeling just how you want to feel all the time; the importance of focusing on mental process verses mental content, his practical definitions of sanity and sainthood, his three-stage model of meditation, and what it’s like after years of daily meditation practice.
Dr. Tucker Peck is a meditation teacher, clinical psychologist, and author. A former professor, he is the founding director of the scholarship fund Open Dharma Foundation, and co-host of the podcast Teaching Meditation. Tucker’s first book, Sanity and Sainthood, debuted as a #1 bestseller in 2025. He teaches a weekly class in-person at the San Francisco Dharma Collective, and has been teaching an online class for advanced meditators since 2012.
You can find Tucker, and see the retreats he's teaching, at meditatewithtucker.com. You can also follow him on Twitter at tucker_peck. In the US, you can buy Sanity and Sainthood at this link, or outside the US, at any major online retailer (like Amazon).