Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today we are riding the elevator at our places of work. Jake Morrill joins hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to look at the many ways a Bowen family systems lens can be useful in the everyday, big and small situations and challenges of work life.

Jake Morrill is the founder of Generation to Generation Leadership Coaching, which works with family businesses, congregations, and nonprofits. A longtime student of Bowen Theory, he’s on the faculty of the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family, where he’s one of the teachers of the course, “Differentiation at Work.”

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

Differentiation of self at work and the usefulness of a "this is me, who are you?” posture
Over and under-functioning and finding balance in your role in work dynamics
Professionalism vs. pseudo self and leading with personal integrity in the midst of external pressures
The importance of one-to-one communication and open, curious conversations
Defining work roles while considering personal values and family commitments
Real life examples from middle management, consulting in challenging situations, and finding a work/life balance

For anyone at any level in the work world. This episode will offer insight into how work systems function and how to manage you!

Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.

Recommended Resources:

The Murray Bowen Archives Project

Dr. Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical Practice
Jake Morrill: The Boundaries Workbook
Leslie Ann Fox & Katherine Gratwick-Baker: Leading a Business in Anxious Times
Kathleen Smith: Everything Isn’t Terrible
The Anxious Achiever podcast: How Family Dynamics Play Out at Work
The Anxious Achiever podcast: Is People Pleasing Hurting Your Career?
Ruth Riley Sagar and Kathleen Klaus Wiseman, Ed: Understanding Organizations

New podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan!

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Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca

Living Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025

Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?

Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/

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DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

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