what you highlight in the book is that with all these things that we want to quantify or gamify, whether it's Instagram, Instagram, grades. You all see this with fitness apps and trackers like the Whoop and your sleep score. What you're trying to do with these things is you're trying to put a number on something that's otherwise ambiguous. You don't know for sure what your social status is, where you are in the pecking order, how smart you are, or how healthy you are. But what these numbers do is that it gives you something concrete, but they might not be accurate, right? Like it doesn't actually reflect reality, but you still let the numbers affect, you know, everything like your mood, your self-perception, your motivations and your actions.

Yeah. It goes back to the humans love certainty. This is why real games work. They give us this escape. You know, life is very complicated and complex. It's everything's ambiguous, but in a real game, what makes it fun is that you take on these obstacles. And at the end of it, you know exactly whether or not you did the right or wrong thing. If you are playing basketball with some friends, you know, whether you won, you know, whether you lost with most of life's decisions, like education or what to do at work or who to marry or what kind of food you should eat to, you know, avoid disease. I mean, all these big decisions, they're ambiguous. You never get a clear yes or no answer. But with gamified systems, they allege to give you a clear answer on whether you did the right or wrong thing. The problem is, of course they don't. It's like, you know, with whoop, it's, it all goes into this black box algorithm. There's a ton of assumptions. It's also based on data about ideas like HRV and what respiratory rate means and what heart rate really means. And these are all things that, you know, the science isn't settled on these things by any means. And it's all based on these very potentially flawed human judgments and so like what does it really mean right it doesn't but if you can just see like oh my god my whoop this morning said i got a 94 like i gotta work out today right or conversely if it's you know in the red and you're not going to work out because of that that seems like a questionable judgment right

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