310. Viral: The Origin of Covid 19 | Matt Ridley
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
The Wuhan Incident and the Debate Over Viral Pandemics
Years ago, some virologists criticized a US funded program called Prevent for looking for viruses that could cause a pandemic./nThe risk of causing an accident was less than the risk of running naturally./nThe program was successful in finding viruses that could cause a pandemic.
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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Matt Ridley go in depth to explore the Covid 19 outbreak, scrutinizing the lack of criticism, the inherent red flags widely accepted as benign, the possible motive for a multi-government cover up, and ultimately the demise of the scientific enlightenment as it bends to a more fearsome pandemic: totalitarianism.
Matt Ridley is a British writer, journalist, and public speaker. His books collectively have sold over a million copies, and have been translated into 31 languages. His books include The Red Queen, The Origins of Virtue, Genome, Nature via Nurture, Francis Crick, The Rational Optimist, The Evolution of Everything, and How Innovation Works. He is also frequently published in the Wall Street Journal, and in the Times (London), as a columnist. As a speaker, Ridley has seen over two million views for his TED talk, “When Ideas Have Sex.” Ridley focuses on the area of science for his writings, and held the role of science editor at the Economist for nine years.
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:31) Intro
(4:25) The origin of the Covid 19 outbreak
(7:39) Adapted for humans
(11:42) Immediate effectiveness
(13:50) Inserted genetic information
(16:29) Early concerns of engineering, the pangolin problem
(20:00) Reputation management, potential cover up
(25:00) The smoking gun, Project Defuse
(28:24) The impossibility of ethical science in a totalitarian country
(33:50) When presumptions don’t add up
(37:00) Framing the pandemic as political, a distraction
(45:16) 80,000 animals tested in Wuhan, 0 infected
(50:30) The lack of criticism for the Chinese government
(53:53) Potential darkness, spreading totalitarianism
(57:03) China envy, recalling the USSR
(1:01:23) Other possible motives
(1:05:24) The sad evolution of scientific inquiry
(1:09:30) The demise of the enlightenment
(1:17:15) The antagonism between religion and science
(1:22:07) Truth over consequence
(1:28:01) The conflation of religion as a faith and as an institution
(1:36:00) The spirit of inquiry
(1:38:37) Dawkins; not seeking the answer, following the questions
(1:43:20) The truth will set you free
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