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310. Viral: The Origin of Covid 19 | Matt Ridley

Dec 1, 2022

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The investigation into the origin of COVID-19 raises concerns about a potential lab leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology due to the coincidence of its location and the outbreak, as well as the virus's remarkable adaptation to humans.

The evidence supporting the theory of COVID-19 originating from the Wuhan market is questioned, with no infected animals linked to the outbreak and transmission patterns not aligning with typical animal-to-human transmission, highlighting the need for further investigation and transparency from China.

The risks associated with gain-of-function research in urban areas are highlighted, emphasizing the need for transparency and ethical considerations in manipulating dangerous viruses, and the importance of investigating the possibility of a lab leak.

The podcast emphasizes the importance of pursuing truth and maintaining a spirit of inquiry in scientific endeavors, transcending political considerations, and explores the dangers of totalitarianism in religious and scientific institutions.

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Investigating the Origin of COVID-19

Dr. Matt Ridley discusses the investigation into the origin of COVID-19. He initially accepted the conventional idea that it emerged from an exotic meat market in Wuhan but became interested in investigating further due to anomalies. The coincidence of the location of the Wuhan lab, which studies similar viruses, and the outbreak raised concerns about a lab leak. The virus's remarkable adaptation to humans is another key point, as most viruses are not well-adapted to transmission in human beings. The presence of a FURIN cleavage site, which is unique to this virus, suggests potential genetic manipulation. The politicization of the issue and lack of transparency from China has hindered the investigation.

The Role of Emotion in Atheism

00:58

The Wuhan Incident and the Debate Over Viral Pandemics

01:15

Truth Matters More Than Consecration

01:00

Marxist critique of postmodernism

01:45

Introduction

3min

The Origin of COVID-19

3min

The First Smoking Pistol

4min

The Problem of Transmission in a Virus

3min

The Fearing Cleavage Site

3min

Fearing Cleavage in a Pangolin Virus

3min

Is This a Lab Leak?

4min

Biotechnology

6min

Science in a Totalitarian Country?

5min

10.

Are You Creating the Very Risk That You're Worrying About?

4min

11.

COVID-19 Pandemic - Science and Nature Are the Pinnacle of Scientific Publication

4min

12.

Sars

2min

13.

We Can Close the Case, We Can't Close the Inquiry

1min

14.

The Only Evidence That It Came From the Market

2min

15.

Is There Evidence of Animal to Animal Transmission of This SARS Virus?

2min

16.

SARS-CoV-2 in Human Airway Epithelial Cell Culture

6min

17.

We're Engaged With the Chinese

3min

18.

Is There a Pathogen of COVID?

4min

19.

Is There a Moral to the Pandemic?

3min

20.

Is Gain of Function Research a Political Issue?

3min

21.

Is There No Science Without Politics?

4min

22.

What Are the Preconditions for the Scientific Enterprise?

2min

23.

Is the Death of God a Demise of the Enlightenment Enterprise?

6min

24.

The Antagonism Between Religion and Science

5min

25.

The Faith-Based Presumption of Science

3min

26.

What's That Love Predicated On?

3min

27.

The Core Doctor of Judeo-Christian Philosophy

4min

28.

The Most Fundamental Religious Instinct

3min

29.

A Differentiation Between Science and the Spirit of Inquiry

4min

30.

The Origin of the COVID Virus

3min

31.

Dr. Ridley's Life and Career

2min

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Matt Ridley go in depth to explore the Covid 19 outbreak, scrutinizing the lack of criticism, the inherent red flags widely accepted as benign, the possible motive for a multi-government cover up, and ultimately the demise of the scientific enlightenment as it bends to a more fearsome pandemic: totalitarianism.

Matt Ridley is a British writer, journalist, and public speaker. His books collectively have sold over a million copies, and have been translated into 31 languages. His books include The Red Queen, The Origins of Virtue, Genome, Nature via Nurture, Francis Crick, The Rational Optimist, The Evolution of Everything, and How Innovation Works. He is also frequently published in the Wall Street Journal, and in the Times (London), as a columnist. As a speaker, Ridley has seen over two million views for his TED talk, “When Ideas Have Sex.” Ridley focuses on the area of science for his writings, and held the role of science editor at the Economist for nine years.

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(0:00) Coming up

(1:31) Intro

(4:25) The origin of the Covid 19 outbreak

(7:39) Adapted for humans

(11:42) Immediate effectiveness

(13:50) Inserted genetic information

(16:29) Early concerns of engineering, the pangolin problem

(20:00) Reputation management, potential cover up

(25:00) The smoking gun, Project Defuse

(28:24) The impossibility of ethical science in a totalitarian country

(33:50) When presumptions don’t add up

(37:00) Framing the pandemic as political, a distraction

(45:16) 80,000 animals tested in Wuhan, 0 infected

(50:30) The lack of criticism for the Chinese government

(53:53) Potential darkness, spreading totalitarianism

(57:03) China envy, recalling the USSR

(1:01:23) Other possible motives

(1:05:24) The sad evolution of scientific inquiry

(1:09:30) The demise of the enlightenment

(1:17:15) The antagonism between religion and science

(1:22:07) Truth over consequence

(1:28:01) The conflation of religion as a faith and as an institution

(1:36:00) The spirit of inquiry

(1:38:37) Dawkins; not seeking the answer, following the questions

(1:43:20) The truth will set you free

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

310. Viral: The Origin of Covid 19 | Matt Ridley

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Deep dives

Investigating the Origin of COVID-19

The Problems with the Market Zoonosis Theory

The Risks of Gain-of-Function Research

The Complexities of Investigating the Lab Leak Hypothesis

The Importance of Truth and Inquiry in Scientific Endeavor

The Danger of Totalitarianism and the Battle Between Spirit and Institution

The Value of Truth and the Fragility of the Enlightenment Enterprise

The Role of Emotion in Atheism

The Wuhan Incident and the Debate Over Viral Pandemics

Truth Matters More Than Consecration

Marxist critique of postmodernism

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Investigating the Origin of COVID-19

The Problems with the Market Zoonosis Theory

The Risks of Gain-of-Function Research

The Complexities of Investigating the Lab Leak Hypothesis

The Importance of Truth and Inquiry in Scientific Endeavor

The Danger of Totalitarianism and the Battle Between Spirit and Institution

The Value of Truth and the Fragility of the Enlightenment Enterprise

The Role of Emotion in Atheism

The Wuhan Incident and the Debate Over Viral Pandemics

Truth Matters More Than Consecration

Marxist critique of postmodernism

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