Distinguishing Modern Populists from Fascists

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The speaker discusses the misconception of labeling extreme right parties as fascist in Europe. The speaker gives the example of a conservative politician in Italy who is careful not to use right-wing ideology and emphasizes that new extreme right parties are different from fascists. Modern populists aim to protect their existing way of life without seeking to establish new societies or ideologies.

Yascha Mounk and Olivier Roy discuss the rise of the French right.

Olivier Roy is a French political scientist and professor at the European University Institute in Florence, Italy. His latest book is The Crisis of Culture: Identity Politics and the Empire of Norms.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Olivier Roy discuss how the new European far-right differs from the old; the French concept of laïcité, or secularism, and whether it goes too far in curtailing public religious practices; and whether a new appeal to universal values and compromise is possible in societies fragmented by identity politics.

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