The speaker was initially not a big fan of Joe Biden but considered him the right choice in the 2020 election. They believe that Trump's reelection is a real possibility, highlighting the uncertainty of future elections. The speaker recalls a past statement about Trump's election being a natural experiment to test the strength of American democracy. They speculate how this experiment played out in Trump's first term and what it could mean if he were to be reelected for a second term.
Yascha Mounk and Francis Fukuyama discuss the state of democracy around the world.
Francis Fukuyama is a political scientist, author, and the Olivier Nomellini Senior Fellow at the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford University. Fukuyama’s notable works include The End of History and the Last Man and The Origins of Political Order. His latest book is Liberalism and Its Discontents.
In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Francis Fukuyama discuss the triumph of the French far-right in the country’s first round of legislative elections; President Biden’s disastrous debate performance and what it may portend for the 2024 election; and the state of democracy from India to Ukraine.
This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.
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