

In Trust Center
In Trust Center for Theological Schools
The In Trust Center podcast is hosted by Matt Hufman. Walk alongside theological school leaders and innovators as they explore issues relevant to North American seminaries, all while helping institutions live out their missions more intentionally. Find more at intrust.org/podcast.
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Jul 24, 2025 • 46min
Ep. 94: Innovating along the way - emerging trends, lessons learned from the Pathways initiative
Send us a textAs the Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative reaches its midpoint, theological schools are navigating both promising innovations and growing tensions. In this episode, Matt Hufman speaks with Jo Ann Deasy of ATS and Amy Kardash of the In Trust Center about how schools are reassessing mission, sustainability, and alignment. With new programs, nontraditional students, and expanded collaborations, institutions are rethinking everything from board engagement to what success really means. While some schools are thriving through strategic alignment, others face challenges in leadership turnover, funding models, and adapting to shifting demands. The conversation underscores a growing shift from competition to collaboration, and a recognition that long-term vitality requires deep listening, experimentation, and clarity about mission.

Jul 9, 2025 • 27min
Ep. 93: Staying ahead of the evolving world of AI in theological education
Send us a textAs the world of artificial intelligence advances in theological education, leaders can stay ahead and find ways forward. In this episode, the Rev. Tay Moss, who has been a leading voice on AI in the Church and theological education, considers how leaders and institutions can engage AI wisely – balancing innovation, ethics, and integrity. This episode considers what it means to be human and bring a theological framework to new technology, and how schools can use new assessment models and spiritual assessment tools. This episode helps leaders keep up on the emerging trends and provides ways for schools to further explore. Moss has done extensive work in AI, including developing new technologies for churches and teaching on it. He can be reached here. He was previously on the podcast in Episode 78.

Jun 4, 2025 • 32min
Ep. 92 - Faith, law, and the future: Governance in a shifting regulatory environment
Send us a textWhat happens when federal education policy changes, roiling higher education, without specifically mentioning theological education? The Rev. Dr. David Rowe and Law Professor Peter Lake unpack the ripple effects of new regulations, executive orders, and court cases on theological schools. From accreditation challenges to spiritual care for students and the risk of mission drift, this conversation offers thoughtful frameworks for boards and presidents navigating chaos. David Rowe can be reached here. Peter Lake can be reached here. The legal case that Peter Lake mentions is Catholic Charities Bureau Inc. et al v. Wisconsin Labor & Industry Review Commission et al. The previous podcast episode can be found here.

May 15, 2025 • 36min
Ep. 91 - Coworkers in the vineyard: Adaptive change and the future of theological collaboration
Send us a textWhat if collaboration wasn’t a tactic, but a way of being? In this episode, Greg Henson and Tony Blair of Kairos University discuss their recent article “Coworkers in the Vineyard: A Renewed Spirit of Collaboration Within Theological Education” about collaboration in theological education and challenge assumptions about competition, mission, and governance. Drawing on research and firsthand experience, they call for adaptive change, reimagine theological formation, and practice collaboration rooted in trust, not survival. With fresh insights on governance, institutional identity, and discipleship, this episode is a must for boards and executives rethinking what’s possible in today’s shifting landscape. You can find the full article here. It's in volume 24 (2025) of Christian Higher Education.

Apr 15, 2025 • 36min
Ep. 90: Rethinking ministry formation: Diaconal studies and the future of theological education
Send us a textCould theological schools be missing a vital piece of ministry formation? Dr. Darryl Stephens joins the podcast to explore diaconal studies — a growing movement that prepares deacons for ministry beyond the pulpit and into the community. With insights from global models and a new open-access volume featuring 21 authors, Stephens invites schools to broaden their mission, extend their reach, and equip more leaders for today’s multifaceted church. The e-version of the book, "Diaconal Studies: Lived Theology for the Church in North America," is offered without cost here. A previous open-access book edited by Stephens mentioned in the podcast, "Bivocational and Beyond: Educating for Thriving Multivocational Ministry," is available at Books@Atla Open Press here.

Mar 27, 2025 • 32min
Ep. 89 - Rooted and Ready: Strengthening Theological Schools Amid Regulatory Upheaval
Send us a textIn a time of political shifts and regulatory uncertainty, the Good Governance podcast dives into how theological school leaders can respond with clarity and authenticity. Governance expert the Rev. Dr. David Rowe and law professor Peter Lake, a higher education policy expert, discuss navigating potential changes to federal education policy, including impacts on Title IV, Title IX, and accreditation. They offer practical guidance for boards and presidents — emphasizing mission alignment, shared governance, and measured leadership. This episode is essential listening for those guiding faith-based institutions through complex and fast-changing landscapes. David Rowe can be reached here. Peter Lake can be reached here.

Mar 19, 2025 • 39min
Ep. 88: A shared future - rethinking seminary administration
Send us a textAs theological schools consider how to prepare for the future, a Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative grant is offering institutions an opportunity for shared services. AdminWise Shared Services, a nonprofit started out of a Lilly Endowment grant, is now offering a slate of administrative functions to help theological schools. Jeff Williams, the president of the group and director of the grant program at Anabaptist Mennonite Biblical Seminary that created it, talks about how the group can provide expertise to schools and provide strategic direction. AdminWise Shared Services website is here.

Feb 25, 2025 • 33min
Ep. 87 - The burden of leadership in theological schools
Send us a textWhat does it take to lead a theological institution today? Auburn Seminary is relaunching Auburn Studies, beginning with a valuable report on leadership. In this episode, the Rev. Dr. Patrick Reyes, dean of Auburn Seminary, shares key trends in the field, and study author, the Very Rev. Dr. Michael DeLashmutt of General Theological Seminary, explains what his research uncovered. They discuss the increasing turnover among presidents and deans, the immense personal and institutional weight of leadership, and how leaders can navigate these pressures. The report is due out in April. You'll be able to find it at Auburn Seminary's website.

Feb 11, 2025 • 43min
Ep. 86: Cultivating generosity in givers and theological education
Send us a textDr. Rebekah Burch Basinger sees fundraising as a vital ministry that can shape faith and fuel the work of theological education. An expert in fundraising, Basinger revisits her book "Growing Givers' Hearts" on its 25th anniversary and explores the power of generosity, breaking the scarcity mindset and embracing God’s abundance. She shares insights from her research, offering practical wisdom for boards, presidents, and leaders to treat fundraising as an expression of faith. Learn how theological schools can inspire donors, strengthen financial health, and model a spirit of generosity that transforms future church leaders.

Feb 4, 2025 • 44min
Ep. 85 - The State of the Theological Education in 2025
Send us a textTheological schools across North America are at a pivotal moment. In this episode, Rev. Frank Yamada, Ph.D., executive director of the Association of Theological Schools, and Amy Kardash, president of the In Trust Center for Theological Schools, discuss both the challenges and opportunities shaping the future of theological education. They explore pressing issues such as financial sustainability, leadership transitions, and shifting student demographics, while also highlighting how boards and leaders can navigate these changes.