
In Trust Center
The In Trust Center podcast is hosted by Matt Hufman. Walk alongside theological school leaders and innovators as they explore issues relevant to North American seminaries, all while helping institutions live out their missions more intentionally. Find more at intrust.org/podcast.
Latest episodes

Oct 30, 2024 • 41min
Ep. 80: Eden Theological and moving to a network model
Send us a textEden Theological Seminary President the Rev. Dr. Deborah Krause and Vice President for Institutional Advancement the Rev. Dr. Mary Schaller Blaufuss discuss how the 175-year-old seminary is moving into a new model of education. Using a Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative grant, the seminary has formed a network of other likeminded seminaries to offer classes to students, as well as provide a range of non-degree classes for ministers. They discuss how they do the work and how it's reaching new audiences.

Oct 15, 2024 • 31min
Ep. 79: How leadership can change with Tod Bolsinger
Send us a textA congregational leader and strategist, the Rev. Tod Bolsinger, Ph.D., discusses the need for adaptive leadership in theological education. Bolsinger shares insights from his latest book series, including tackling the challenges of leading through change, handling internal resistance, and realigning missions in a post-pandemic world. Bolsinger discusses rethinking old models and learning from experimentation. He emphasizes that effective transformation isn’t about working harder but adapting wisely.

Oct 7, 2024 • 34min
Ep. 78: AI's potential for theological education
Send us a textThe Rev. Tay Moss, an Episcopalian priest, media producer, and educator, has produced an AI-drive webpage to help people explore the Anglican church – AskCathy.ai – and in this episode explores the potential of AI for theological schools and how they can use it to enhance student engagement and streamline access to information. As well, he discusses the potential for new pedagogy as well as the challenges that AI offers schools and provides some thoughts about how schools and leaders can start to think about engaging with AI.

Sep 16, 2024 • 46min
Ep. 77: What a president needs to know
Send us a textThe Rev. Nancy Claire Pittman, Ph.D., is retiring as president of Phillips Theological Seminary in Tulsa, Oklahoma, after a long career in both the church and theological education. She reflects on the changes at Phillips and the transformation that has taken place there, including how the school uses the city as a place to learn. She also considers what she wished she knew about shared governance, working with a board, and the role of president.

Aug 16, 2024 • 36min
Ep. 76: Creating a new ecosystem in theological education
Send us a textThe Rev. Dr. David Vásquez-Levy, president of Pacific School of Theology in Berkeley, California, discusses how the school is using its Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative grant to create a new ecosystem that includes not just technology but also efforts to reconsider educational modes and methods. The school's programming includes a stackable curriculum and challenges traditional standards.

Aug 12, 2024 • 32min
Ep. 75: Future-proofing theological schools?
Rick Staisloff, a seasoned consultant in higher education, shares his insights on how theological schools can navigate transformative times. He discusses the crucial role of strategic partnerships in fostering resilience and addressing declining enrollments. Staisloff emphasizes adapting to modern student needs and the importance of mission-driven approaches. He highlights the necessity of board member engagement in shaping proactive strategies, encouraging a brave exploration of collaborative solutions that enhance learning and institutional growth.

Jul 23, 2024 • 40min
Ep. 74: The many facets of shared governance
Send us a textThe Rev. Heather Hartung, Ph.D., has been a student, minister, faculty member, dean, and member of a theological school board. She now serves as a director of accreditation with the Association of Theological Schools. In this episode of the podcast, she discusses how boards and leaders of theological schools can approach shared governance from various perspectives. You can find more information about the podcast, including links referenced in the episode, at Episode 74 at intrust.org/podcast.

Jul 9, 2024 • 36min
Ep. 73: Overcoming scarcity to blaze a trail
Send us a textThe Rev. Dr. Joanne Rodriguez, executive director of the Hispanic Theological Initiative, was honored with the 2024 Women in Leadership Trailblazer Award by the Association of Theological Schools. She didn't intend to go into theological education, but for a quarter of a century has helped create pathways for others in the field. She shared about dealing with a scarcity mindset, making room for others, and leading through difficult times. HTI's website can be found here. The ATS award can be found here. ATS' Women in Leadership page is here.

Jun 28, 2024 • 38min
Ep. 72: Rooted in Hope - How the Pathways project is growing
Send us a textThe Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative was designed by Lilly Endowment Inc. to create ways for theological schools in North America to train ministers for Christian churches. The Rev. Dr. Jo Ann Deasy, director of institutional initiatives of the Association of Theological Schools, and Amy Kardash, president of the In Trust Center for Theological Schools, discuss key findings and themes. ATS and the In Trust Center are co-coordinating the initiative. Learn more at:ATS' Pathways page.A project directory.The In Trust Center's page, which includes stories, webinars, podcasts, and more.

Jun 18, 2024 • 38min
Ep. 71: Governance and the practice of holiness
Send us a textAn award-winning author and longtime pastor's wife, Karen Stiller admits to a struggle with the concept of holiness. In her new book, Holiness Here: Searching for God in the Ordinary Events of Everyday Life , Stiller addresses the everyday tension between what we want to do and where we are in a book that could be used devotionally or in a seminary classroom. As a board member of a theological school, Stiller also reflects on what makes governance holy. The book can be found here.
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