

The Co-Living Show
Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain
Co-living is one of the most misunderstood, and highest-potential, strategies in residential real estate investing. Most investors hear the buzzwords, see the cash-flow claims, and immediately assume it’s either too risky, too operationally intense, or too complicated to scale. The truth is simpler: coliving work exceptionally well when built on systems, governed by operational clarity, and executed like a real business, not a side hustle. The Co-Living Show exists to make that clarity accessible for serious professionals who want smarter returns without gambling on guesswork.Hosted by BiggerPockets authors Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain, The Co-Living Show goes far beyond surface-level real estate content. This is the only real estate investing podcast dedicated exclusively to the economics, operations, regulations, and strategic frameworks that drive high-density co-living and shared housing at scale. Whether you’re new to the model or a high-earning, time-poor professional seeking exposure to a sophisticated cash-flow real estate strategy without becoming an operator, this show delivers the confidence, understanding, and insight needed to invest intelligently.Each episode takes you inside the real-world systems behind co-living performance. You’ll hear from operators running multi-market portfolios, attorneys specializing in zoning and compliance, designers who understand space optimization and profitability, lenders financing room-by-room rental strategies, and property managers and city officials shaping the future of affordable housing innovation. You’ll also hear from the Co-Living Cash Flow Community, everyday investors solving operational challenges and executing the exact frameworks discussed on the show. 👉 Join the community: www.millermcswain.com/communityThere is no fluff here. No hype. No motivational noise. Every conversation is grounded in data, regulatory insight, operational logic, and investor-level clarity. Co-living is not “passive income.” It’s not a shortcut. It’s a system. And systems — when executed correctly — produce scalable, predictable returns that outperform traditional rental models. This is not speculative theory. It’s cash-flow real estate strategy in action.Craig brings acquisitions, underwriting, and market strategy. Miller brings operations, pricing systems, and standardization frameworks that make coliving scalable. Together, they deliver an operator’s perspective of an asset class most investors only see from the outside. As BiggerPockets authors, educators, and practitioners, they simplify complexity without diluting truth: coliving works, but only when done correctly.You’ll hear underwriting breakdowns, operator case studies, deal teardowns, regulatory realities, tenant strategy, market analysis, and the economic logic behind high-density residential investing. You’ll learn how to invest passively, partner with experienced operators, or simply understand the business model in depth, even if you never plan to manage a property yourself.The Co-Living Show does not claim co-living works. It proves when, why, and under what conditions it works.If you want confidence instead of conjecture, systems instead of speculation, and clarity instead of chaos, this is your source of truth for professional-grade residential real estate investing.Subscribe and join thousands of investors building deeper understanding, stronger portfolios, and smarter strategies, without wasting time on noise.This is the future of residential real estate investing. And now you’ll finally understand how it works.
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Dec 22, 2021 • 55min
Episode 64: Earning A Passive Income Through Alternative Investing With Dan Kryzanowski
A good way to achieve passive income is to get into alternative investing. Maybe you know someone who's interested in private equity. Or maybe you want to get into self-storage or some other form of real estate. There is a lot of ways to raise capital, you just need to form your network and build trust with them. Join your hosts Craig Curelop and Zeona McIntyre as they sit down with Dan Kryzanowski. Dan is a capital raiser, equity owner, and LP investor. Listen to how his journey into alternative investing started at a wedding. Find out how he got into private lending and self-storage. Learn the difference between a GP and an LP. And, know more about Rocket Dollar. Listen to today's episode and start getting into alternative investing today!Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, & share! invest2fi.com

Dec 16, 2021 • 52min
Episode 63 - Get Your Finances Straight With Zero Debt Coach Brad Long
Determined to rid himself of $174,000 in mortgage and consumer debt, Brad Long switched back and forth between being a musician and having a corporate sales job. Now, he remains debt-free, and he helps 6 and 7-figure corporate employees and entrepreneurs organize their finances and eradicate debt. In this episode, Brad looks back on his “financial awakening” and how he paid off nearly $50k of his debt in 2.5 years. He shares his strategy for saving money and weighs in on the different ways people can invest and achieve FI. He also offers advice as a content creator. Key TakeawaysBrad learned how to think about money from Dave Ramsey and Vicki RobinHe wanted out of debt and freedom of location so he sold the condo that he owned—just before the market crashed in 2008!Start off with a baby emergency fundThe different asset classes that Brad learned about and got intoHow to map out a budget and live a lean lifestyleBrad’s and Zeona’s thoughts on cryptocurrencyAbout the Zero Debt Coach platformLinksZero Debt CoachBrad’s YoutubeDave RamseyVicki RobinMr. Money MustacheSatoshi Nakamoto’s White PaperBooksYour Money or Your Life by Joseph Dominguez, Monique Tilford, and Vicki RobinThe 4-Hour Workweek by Tim FerrissThe 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey

Dec 8, 2021 • 48min
Episode 62 - Become A Sheeksfreak And Achieve Early FI With Dan Sheeks
Early FI and what it takes to get there is not for everybody... and that’s fine!It has been a year since Dan Sheeks started SheeksFreaks, an online community dedicated to helping young people live their best lives by making smart money decisions.In this episode, he returns to the podcast to talk about early FIRE and how even teenagers can become millionaires—in just a few years! He also gives a preview of his upcoming book (and workbook!), shares his FI equation, and offers advice to listeners who are just getting into FI and real estate.

Nov 24, 2021 • 54min
Episode 61 - Intentional Investing With Former Marine Kevin Quintanilla-Toledo
Real estate doesn’t have to be flashy. Take it from Kevin Quintanilla-Toledo. He used to be a military guy who just stumbled upon real estate investing. But now, he’s a licensed realtor with a W-2 job and a hefty portfolio!In this episode, Kevin breaks down how he got his first 3 properties, weighs in on the different types of loans that were available to him, and shares what it was like to be in the Marine Corps. Craig and Zeona chime in with some explanations and advice for people who are new to real estate.

Nov 17, 2021 • 1h
Episode 60 - Taking House Hacking to Another Level With Kayla Govier And Bryce Givens
When you hit rock bottom, the only way is to go up!Joining Craig and Zeona on the show are Bryce Givens, founder of Elevate Recovery Homes, and Kayla Govier, a licensed realtor and a member of the FI Team. Since 2019, they have been house hacking with the primary goal of saving lives—and they are crushing it!In this episode, Bryce and Kayla share how they met, their transition from “debt is bad” to “debt is good”, and their foray into sober living homes. They break down the numbers for their first 2 properties and explain how their business is set up. They also offer advice to people who are looking to build a business around real estate.

Nov 10, 2021 • 1h 8min
Episode 59 - Achieving FI Through Savings, Real Estate, And Index Funds With The Legendary JL Collins
Joining Craig and Zeona on the show is JL Collins, one of the founding fathers of the FI movement and the author of “The Simple Path to Wealth”. He is set to release a new book titled “How I Lost Money in Real Estate Before it was Fashionable”.In this episode, JL explains the concept of “F-You money” and the virtuous circle that occurs when people go down the path to FI. He then talks about his books, what it was like to teach his daughter what he knows about finances, and how he achieved FI as an active investor who later went passive.

Nov 3, 2021 • 51min
Episode 58 - Leaping From House Hacking To Multifamily Syndication With Tyler Giering
Tyler Giering first learned about FI and real estate investing while he was in college, but circumstances led him down the path of finance. Because he wanted to invest in real estate, he leveraged house hacking and went from residential to large multifamily syndication. He now has over 2,200 units.In this episode, Tyler explains what asset managers do, breaks down his “for real” deal, and highlights the importance of value-add. He then dives into his first syndication deal, presenting the advantages of becoming a passive investor.

Oct 27, 2021 • 48min
Episode 57 - House Hacking Strategies With FI Team Agent Bryan Balducki
House hacking is something you can do over and over again, and it’s going to build wealth. Take it from Bryan Balducki. He became a rental property investor by accident, but now, he is one of The FI Team’s agents.In this episode, Bryan talks about his very first investment property and how he got into rentals. While giving a breakdown of his 4 properties, he gets into a discussion with Craig and Zeona about 15-year mortgages versus 30-year mortgages. He also weighs in on the pros and cons of investing in a house and a townhome.

Oct 20, 2021 • 46min
Episode 56 - Life Hacks From The House Hacking Doctor Jonathan Tom
Jonathan Tom learned about FI at an early age and started out by investing in index funds. It took him some time to see real estate investing as an option, but once he did, he bought his first property (just last April!) and househacked it.In this episode, Jonathan walks us through his journey as a medical student-turned-doctor and part-time investor. He breaks down how he acquired a house and rehabbed it into a cash-flowing property, highlighting the importance of adding value. He also shares tips so that you can have smaller utility bills.

Oct 13, 2021 • 1h 3min
Episode 55 - Hustling And Crushing It With Noah Evans & Jeff Fawson
Noah Evans and Jeff Fawson both had rocky starts, but they hustled and found real estate in their desire to level up their lives. Now, they work together as the owners of Tree City Home Buyers and the hosts of the Chasing Freedom podcast.In this episode, Jeff and Noah talk with hosts, Craig Curelop and Zeona McIntyre, to look back on their “for real” deals and how they ended up becoming business partners. They drop plenty of gold nuggets on being resourceful and finding a mentor, stressing the importance of taking action and being consistent.


