
RelateBetter presents: The EnneaCast
A show to help you build better relationships.
A workshop/interview/game show for your relational health. Welcome to The EnneaCast, a bi-weekly show that explores personality and the Enneagram through the lens of the gospel. Every episode combines teaching, an interview and a game into a fascinating and fun listening experience. Hosted by Jesse Eubanks and Lindsey Lewis, The EnneaCast features authors, artists, pastors and counselors sharing their wisdom with one goal in mind: to help you experience more meaningful relationships with God, yourself and others.
Latest episodes

Jun 13, 2023 • 50min
Ep #93: Your Desire to Be Happy w/ Jackie Brewster (Type 7)
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through the desire to have happiness and how this is expressed in the qualities of Enneagram Type 7. Author and Enneagram coach Jackie Brewster joins the show and shares how the desire to be happy has shaped her life as well as her journey to tell the difference between joy and momentary pleasures. Lindsey and Jackie play Two Truths and A Lie, where they each learn something new.

May 30, 2023 • 49min
Ep #92: Your Desire to Be Secure w/ Jill Phillips (Type 6)
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through the desire to have security and how this is expressed in the qualities of the Enneagram Type 6. Singer-songwriter and licensed therapist Jill Phillips joins the show and shares how the desire to be secure has shaped her life as well as her journey to tell the difference between security and safety. Everyone plays You’ve Got Problems, where Jill may choose to eat a bowl of teeth.

May 23, 2023 • 3min
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT! We are now RelateBetter!
We’re spinning off all our relationship tools, workshops and enneagram content into a new company: RelateBetter. Learn more now by listening here and get your free resources at www.RelateBetter.com.

May 16, 2023 • 53min
Ep #91: Your Desire to Be Competent w/ Phil Vischer (Type 5)
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through the desire to have competency and how this is expressed in the qualities of the Enneagram Type 5. Phil Vischer of The Holy Post and creator of VeggieTales joins the show and shares how the desire to be competent has shaped his story as well as his journey to tell the difference between being competent versus all-knowing. Everyone plays Your Worst Nightmare, where they discover if Phil has any secret fears.

May 3, 2023 • 52min
Ep #90: Your Desire to Be Authentic w/ Aundi Kolber (Type 4)
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through the desire to have authenticity and how this is expressed in the qualities of Enneagram Type 4. Author and counselor Aundi Kolber joins the show and shares how the desire to be authentic has shaped her life as well as her journey to tell the difference between authenticity and being unique. Everyone plays Show Me You Know Me, where Jesse tries to channel all his fourness to read Aundi’s mind.

Apr 18, 2023 • 1h 1min
Ep #89: Your Desire to Succeed w/ Dr. Alison Cook (Type 3)
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through the desire to have value and how this is expressed in the qualities of Enneagram Type 3. Psychologist, author and podcaster Dr. Alison Cook joins the show and shares how the desire to be valuable has shaped her life as well as her journey to tell the difference between value and success. Lindsey and Dr. Alison play Lie Detector, where they show off their story-telling skills true and otherwise.

Apr 4, 2023 • 1h 4min
Ep #88: Your Desire to Be Loved w/ Andrew Greer (Type 2)
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through the desire to be loved and wanted and how this is expressed in the qualities of Enneagram Type 2. Singer, song-writer, Andrew Greer joins the show and shares how the desire to be loved has shaped his life as well as his struggle to tell the difference between being loved and being needed. Everyone plays What’s Your Number, where Jesse and Lindsey try to guess what Andrew likes and dislikes.

Mar 21, 2023 • 57min
Ep #87: Your Desire to Be Good w/ Kendra Adachi (Type 1)
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through the desire to have integrity and how this is expressed in the qualities of Enneagram Type 1. Kendra Adachi of The Lazy Genius joins the show and shares how the desire to be good has shaped her life as well as her struggle to tell the difference between goodness and perfection. Everyone plays Best Story Wins, where the group attempts to beat-box.

Mar 7, 2023 • 46min
Ep #86: Your Desires: How to Guide and Act on Your Desires
In today’s episode, Jesse and Lindsey explore what it means to be people created by God to desire. They answer the question, “How do I know whether or not to act on my desires?” They also explore the nine key motives that shape us.

Feb 21, 2023 • 1h 1min
Ep #85: Your Desires: What Do You Want? w/ Dr. Curt Thompson
What do you desire? Should you embolden or ignore your desires? What if your desires are signs pointing toward something deeper? On this episode of The EnneaCast, Jesse Eubanks and Lindsey Lewis kick off a brand new series on desire. They’re joined by renowned psychiatrist and author Dr. Curt Thompson as they explore the nature of desire and what happens when people see their longings only as immoral or irrelevant. How do we wield our desires in all their power and magnitude as followers of Jesus? What do we do with our broken dreams? Listen in as they explore Jesus’ first words in the gospel of John: “What do you want?”
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