

Smart Podcast, Trashy Books: A Romance Novel Podcast
Sarah Wendell
Each week on Smart Podcast, Trashy Books, Sarah Wendell interviews authors, readers, reviewers, bloggers, publishing professionals, editors, and librarians about romance novels, which are among the most popular genres in fiction worldwide. Popular guests include: Ilona Andrews, Robin Bradford, NPR's Barrie Hardymon, Chuck Tingle, Sarah J. Maas, and Rachel Aaron. Amanda Diehl, co-pilot of the SS Smart Bitches, makes regular appearances with maximum silliness, especially during our Romantic Times Rewind episodes, where we take a look at old issues of Romantic Times Magazine (1981-2018). Frequent topics include romance novels, the way the genre is changing, and the brilliant and interesting people who read, write, and produce it, and issues common among romance readers. Plus, we always recommend some books we're reading and really enjoying. Learn more at SB-TB.com/Podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Oct 2, 2026 • 1h 9min
738. Isn’t He Romantic with Adib Khorram
Adib Khorram, the queer Iranian-American author behind Darius the Great Is Not Okay, discusses Isn’t He Romantic, the finale of his queer Iranian-American romance trilogy. They explore fake dating, sex toys, audiobook narrators, and the evolution of m/m romance. The conversation also tackles aging and ageism, queer intergenerational community, kickball as joyful reclamation, fashion, BookTok, and writing with loving accountability.

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Sep 25, 2026 • 1h 4min
737. RT Rewind: February 2012 Ads & Features
Travel back to February 2012 for Anastasia obsessions, Barbara Cartland hats, historical pettiness, and the bygone craft of romance conferences. Then comes an extended tour of outrageous romance covers featuring leather-pants bulges, photoshopped nudity, chaotic ménage compositions, uncanny models, and early-2010s torso aesthetics. Along the way, the conversation explores genre labels, romance history, and what makes a satisfying romantic fantasy.

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Sep 18, 2026 • 1h 2min
736. The Romances that Inspired Dylan Allen and Lucy Wilson-Tagoe
Lucy Wilson-Tagoe, a Ghanaian American bestselling romance author writing as Dylan Allen, discusses To Catch a Sinner, her mystery-romance about art repatriation and cultural ownership. She shares why a new pen name became a personal rebirth, how Ghanaian heritage shaped her identity, and the romances, soap operas, and Black authors that inspired her. Plus: a hopeful, richly imagined Washington, D.C.

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Sep 11, 2026 • 1h 26min
735. RT Rewind: September 2012 Reviews
A time-traveling tour through September 2012 romance reviews, featuring suspiciously terrible men, historical paranormal drama, teen heroes allowed to be messy, and a zombie fantasy with a Nazi wizard. Along the way: Garth Brooks favorites, karaoke staples, carnival murder mysteries, hot dog toys, and a bizarre detour into books bound in human skin.

Sep 4, 2026 • 1h
734. Finding Fire Island with Jess Rothschild
Jess Rothschild is a podcaster and journalist, one of the founding writers at Autostraddle, and her latest project is a documentary podcast called Finding Fire Island, about the history of Fire Island, Cherry Grove, and the Pines. Her prior work includes The Cult of Soul Cycle, and I love BOTH of these productions. Jess has been writing online longer than I have, and we talk about internet history, the process of making a podcast documentary, and what it’s like to have all your neighbors tell their most juicy, gossipy stories to you. For work. Finding Fire Island is a unique historical record, and I hope you’ll listen or watch. Please be advised that you can’t talk about gay history in the US without talking about the AIDS epidemic and the loss of so many people, so this episode is a little poignant at times. You can find Jess Rothschild on Instagram @JessXNYC.Links ahoy!Finding Fire IslandThe Cult of Body and SoulHulu – Black Twitter: A People’s HistoryHot Takes and Deep Dives – Jess’s podcastCaitlin Whyte – Jess’s Sound DesignerThemAutostraddleDads & Daddies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 28, 2026 • 1h 35min
733. RT Rewind: July 1992 Ads & Features - The 100th Issue Special!
We are back in the early 90s, when the mullets were epic and the covers were sumptuous. Come on back to July 1992 with us as we explore the ads & features of the 100th issue of Romantic Times Magazine!This issue contains some FASCINATING retrospective looks at romance, cover art, and more, and I think it is one of the primary sources cited for some of the more common stories I’ve heard about romance.Were you a Borders, B. Dalton, or Waldenbooks reader, or another bookshop entirely?Don’t forget – you can watch this episode on YouTube with the visuals on screen, or look for the visual aids at SBTB!We also mentioned:The sandals from Keen I mentioned in the outro.Lucynka’s posts on SBTB about pulp romanceMarysville Public Library: Nora Roberts Go Fish (Facebook video)Lake Villa District Library: Nora Roberts Challenge (Tiktok video) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 21, 2026 • 59min
732. The Heated Rivalry Unauthorized Musical Parody with Dylan MarcAurele
Dylan MarcAurele is the writer and composer behind The Heated Rivalry Unauthorized Musical Parody, and I am extremely excited to share this interview with you!We’re going to talk about writing musical theatre, his writing process, and how long it took him to write this musical (you won’t believe it).He also talks about the actors and how the show came to be – it’s delightful. Musical theater and romance have a lot of similarities I hadn’t considered, and I learned so much from this conversation – I hope you love it, too.I also have some questions from author Kirsty Greenwood, who I saw the musical with, as she is also a massive musical theater fan. Thank you, Kirsty!You can find Dylan MarcAurele at his website, DylanMarcAurele.com. We also mentioned:Pop Off MichelangeloLewis Loves ClarkThe Real Housewives of New York Parody MusicalPlaybill: Heated Rivalry Parody Musical to Release Cast AlbumAnd of course, you can find tickets to The Heated Rivalry Unauthorized Parody Musical at their website....Special thanks to the sponsor for this week's episode: A Hard Habit to Break by Siera London. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 14, 2026 • 1h 4min
731. RT Rewind: July 1992 Reviews - The 100th Issue Special!
It’s RT Rewind time again! This month, we’re going back to July 1992 to check out the new releases reviewed in…the 100th issue of Romantic Times magazine! Yup, the cover is memorable, and so are the book covers.We discuss:Cover models! Who would be the cover model for subgenre specific magazine issues?Nostalgia! Are the tag lines on the cover both references to cigarette ads?Reviews! There are some absolute classics in this issue, including Outlander.Reading slumps! There are so many people in one, including me.Do you like to listen to your favorite podcasts on YouTube? Come hang out with us there, and you’ll see the book covers, images, and faces we make at each other.We also mentioned:Hollywood Demons: “Stephen Collins, America’s Dad” (HBO) (TW/CW Discussion of CSA, CSAM)A clip of Scaachi Koul and Rob Anderson discussing Stephen Collins from the documentary (Facebook Reel)“Are You Afraid of the 90s?” Rob Anderson’s comedy special (YouTube – free)Rob Anderson’s website, Heartthrob-Anderson.comWhatcha Reading? July 2026 Part IMusic: purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 7, 2026 • 55min
730. Still the Luckiest Lady in London with Sherry Thomas
The re-release of The Luckiest Lady in London has arrived, and Sherry Thomas joins me to talk about the writing of that book more than 13 years ago, how romance and historicals have changed, and how this book is a reflection and subversion of another very, very famous historical romance.Plus, she gives us recommendations of her favorite historical romance authors and some of their books.Note: we had some connectivity issues, so sometimes the edit sounds a little abrupt. If you’re watching the video, the video does freeze while the audio continues. My apologies.You can find Sherry Thomas at her website, SherryThomas.com. She’s on Bluesky, on Instagram @writersherrythomas, and on Facebook as AuthorSherryThomas.Music: purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 31, 2026 • 1h 21min
729. RT Rewind: March 2009 Ads & Features
Hey, where are you going? Get in the time machine – we want to bring you back to March 2009 to check out the ads & features from Romantic Times Magazine.We’ve got:Snippy letters to the editor!Covers that look like shaving cream ads for womenReading in a recessionFolks explaining steampunk!Pop vs. SodaAnd you’ll find out what words are used in an acrostic of “pandemic.”TW: In the middle you’ll hear from Editing Sarah – which is when I interject additional info into the episode while I’m editing it – for about a minute and a half. There is some gross fatphobia and mean terminology in that section. Skip ahead when I start reading the paragraph about 30 seconds.And you can watch this episode on YouTube to see all the images as we discuss them. You are most welcome to subscribe to our YouTube channel if you would like!We also mentioned:“When Your Friend Goes Steampunk” by Key & Peele (YouTube)Booklender.comBookMooch.comPaperbackswap.com“‘Girls’ EP Inks Deal With HBO, Developing Comedy With Mike White” by Lesley Goldberg, December 2, 2013, Hollywood Reporter“‘Mr. Romance’ woos New Regency” by Michael Fleming, December 16, 2008, Variety Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


