

Smart Podcast, Trashy Books: A Romance Novel Podcast
Sarah Wendell
Each week on Smart Podcast, Trashy Books, Sarah Wendell interviews authors, readers, reviewers, bloggers, publishing professionals, editors, and librarians about romance novels, which are among the most popular genres in fiction worldwide. Popular guests include: Ilona Andrews, Robin Bradford, NPR's Barrie Hardymon, Chuck Tingle, Sarah J. Maas, and Rachel Aaron. Amanda Diehl, co-pilot of the SS Smart Bitches, makes regular appearances with maximum silliness, especially during our Romantic Times Rewind episodes, where we take a look at old issues of Romantic Times Magazine (1981-2018). Frequent topics include romance novels, the way the genre is changing, and the brilliant and interesting people who read, write, and produce it, and issues common among romance readers. Plus, we always recommend some books we're reading and really enjoying. Learn more at SB-TB.com/Podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Jul 25, 2025 • 1h 3min
677. Everyone is Lying to You with Jo Piazza
Jo Piazza’s new book, Everyone is Lying to You, is a trad wife influencer murder mystery out this month. I loved this book. Jo has been covering trad wives and influencers for a long, long time – she has a podcast called “Under the Influence,” and has been writing about celebrity culture for most of her career.We are talking about trad wives, celebrity influencers, and how celebrity has changed with social media. We also talk about how and why trad wife influencers are so, well, influential, and how so many parts of our society have let women down.Want some fresh burning feminism and critique of predatory influencing? This is your episode.…Inspired by other Patreon folks, including Chris DeRosa at Fixing Famous People, I’ve made some of the Patreon content free so you can sample what we’ve got.Do you want to do a crossword puzzle from the May 1995 issue of RT? The crossword puzzle is available for free on Patreon right now!Would you like to read an issue of RT Magazine? The December 1997 issue is now available for your perusal.Or would you like to try one of our bonus episodes? Join Amanda and me as we look back at our 2024 predictions about romance and publishing.This collection of special previews is available now to all listeners, and there’s a link in the show notes to dive in. And if you like our free samples, join us in the Patreon community where there’s bonus content and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 18, 2025 • 1h 5min
676. Exploring Atonement Sky with Nalini Singh
When I record with Nalini Singh, since she’s in New Zealand and I’m on the east coast of the US, it’s weird hours for both of us – so thank you to Nalini for speaking to me bright and early in the morning. We talk about Atonement Sky, about writing and worldbuilding, and saying goodbye to characters. I also mix up my animal pluralities but I fix it, don’t worry.NOT thanks to Wilbur, my cat, who was vocally put out with my choices, and ends up with Nalini representing him in feline court.Music: purple-planet.comFind links to Nalini's website and newsletter, and the picture of her + Nutella, at SBTB! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 11, 2025 • 53min
675. Celebrating Confident Fat Black Women with Danielle Allen
Danielle Allen is the author of 55 books, including the new release Plus Size Player, part of the Curve series alongside Curvy Girl Summer, and Big Girl Blitz. And the player, as you’ll find out, is the heroine.The trilogy focuses on three best friends, and so we talk about friendship, loyalty, and about centering fat Black women as romance heroines. Danielle has also written contemporaries inspired by Poe stories, so of course we talk about interpreting Poe as well.You can find Danielle Allen at her website, AuthorDanielleAllen.com, and on her Patreon, Curvy Girl Confessions. You can also follow her on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and BlueSky.Her cover artist is Keo Majoy. …A special invitation: free samples of our bonus content!Inspired by other Patreon folks, including Chris DeRosa at Fixing Famous People, I’ve made some of the Patreon content free so you can sample what we’ve got.Do you want to do a crossword puzzle from the May 1995 issue of RT? The crossword puzzle is available for free on Patreon right now!Would you like to read an issue of RT Magazine? The December 1997 issue is now available for your perusal.Or would you like to try one of our bonus episodes? Join Amanda and me as we look back at our 2024 predictions about romance and publishing.This collection of special previews is available now to all listeners, and there’s a link in the show notes to dive in. And if you like our free samples, join us in the Patreon community where there’s bonus content and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jul 4, 2025 • 49min
674. Enchanted Romantasy Feasts with Gaby Leon, HappyGabyCooks
You may know Gaby Leon as HappyGabyCooking on TikTok and Instagram. She’s also the author of a new cookbook! The Enchanted Feast is a gorgeous book filled with recipes inspired by Gaby’s favorite Rrrrrromantasy titles. There are cocktails, snacks, entrees, and terrific cookies and desserts. This episode, and this cookbook, might make you hungry.If you’re thinking you might need to check out this cookbook, yes, yes you do. And if you’ve got a potluck coming up, this book has you covered.Inspired by other Patreon folks, including Chris DeRosa at Fixing Famous People, I’ve made some of the Patreon content free so you can sample what we’ve got.Do you want to do a crossword puzzle from the May 1995 issue of RT? The crossword puzzle is available for free on Patreon right now!Would you like to read an issue of RT Magazine? The December 1997 issue is now available for your perusal.Or would you like to try one of our bonus episodes? Join Amanda and me as we look back at our 2024 predictions about romance and publishing.This collection of special previews is available now to all listeners, and there’s a link in the show notes to dive in. And if you like our free samples, join us in the Patreon community where there’s bonus content and more.You can find Gaby León at HappyGabyCooking on TikTok and Instagram.We also mentioned:The Meghan Markle on-pot pasta dish Josu saltsBinging with Babish Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 27, 2025 • 1h 13min
673. RT Rewind: May 1995 Ads & Features
This is a delightfully unhinged issue. We’ve got a plethora of old-skool covers, weird language about China and Taiwan, Poconos hot tubs, and Elizabeth Lowell is thrown under the bus – twice?Are you one of the most privileged readers in the world? I crave satisfaction in this matter!Don't miss the links and visual aids for this episode - they're at SBTB.com. A few housekeeping notes:In July, I won’t be doing any RT Rewind episodes. This is partly because I have a BUNCH of interviews I am very excited about and want to share with y’all. We’ll be back in August with RT Rewind, so the time travel machine can have its annual service appointment in July.And! Inspired by other Patreon folks, including Chris DeRosa at Fixing Famous People, I’ve made some of the Patreon content free so you can sample what we’ve got.Do you want to do a crossword puzzle from the May 1995 issue of RT? The crossword puzzle is available for free on Patreon right now!Would you like to read an issue of RT Magazine? The December 1997 issue is now available for your perusal.Or would you like to try one of our bonus episodes? Join Amanda and me as we look back at our 2024 predictions about romance and publishing.This collection of special previews is available now to all listeners, and there’s a link in the show notes to dive in. And if you like our free samples, join us in the Patreon community where there’s bonus content and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 20, 2025 • 1h 3min
672. Part III of A Soul to Keep with Heaving Bosoms
Every now and again, I get to do a crossover episode with the Heaving Bosoms podcast. We pick a truly bonkers sexy book, and recap it across two shows. In this case – it’s three shows.Hi Heaving Bosoms listeners! I’m so happy you’re here!This time, Melody asked if I had any suggestions for a title. YES I DID. A Soul to Keep: Duskwalker Brides: Book One by Opal Reyne was taking up a LOT of room in my brain and I needed to discuss it with someone. Thank goodness Melody emailed me.So, first, THIS IS SO NSFW. Seriously.Second, if you want the full recap, check out Heaving Bosoms part 1 and 2 this week, and join us for part three here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 13, 2025 • 50min
671. RT Rewind: May 1995 Reviews
Amanda and I are traveling back to May 1995 – yes, thirty years ago.I know, me too.We’ve got weird reviews, outstanding side character names, a debut of a much-loved historical romance author, and a few side trips into pet names and fanfic ships in traditional publishing.We’re talking about the past and the present at the same time, which is one of my favorite things to do when discussing romance fiction!We also mentioned:Reba McEntire’s Fancy videoKelly Clarkson performing Fancy at the Kennedy Center HonorseBay listing for Something Wonderful complete with lace tableclothPodcast: “Too Scary, Didn’t Watch.” Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jun 6, 2025 • 58min
670. I Shouldn’t Be Telling You This with Chelsea Devantez of Glamourous Trash
One of Chelsea Devantez’s listeners connected her to my show after my interview with Joanna Shupe.Meanwhile I’d been working up the nerve to ask her onto my show, and then the universe intervened through this lovely person. Thank you!I recapped Danielle Steel’s dog memoir on her show, and now, she’s in the guest chair on mine.We talk about her memoir, I Shouldn’t Be Telling You This (But I’m Going to Anyway), which was published last summer. Along the way we discuss embracing vulnerability, hating small talk, and avoiding it by…writing a memoir! We also examine how the Depp/Heard case affected the final version of that memoir. Chelsea’s book is bookended by her own story of intimate partner violence, and much of it was redacted, as we discuss in this interview.CW/TW: throughout this episode, we talk about domestic violence, intimate partner violence, infertility, donor conceived children and adults, the infertility industry, drive by shootings, shame, and mental health.“Not talking is never the answer. Just talk about it.” Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 30, 2025 • 54min
669. RT Rewind - February 2015 Ads & Features Part II
At the suggestion of some listeners, I split the Ads & Features into two parts, in part because it was very long, and also because there are 5 Fridays in May. Woot!You can find Part I here (or in your favorite podcast app).Part II of the Ads & Features from February 2015 features HelenKay Dimon just dropping all sorts of information left and right.We talk about:How many romantic suspense covers look the sameWays to approach reviews when you’re an authorWhat happens when romantic suspense authors take a gun safety and usage class?(For one thing: they have a lot to say about cover models holding guns.)I hope you’ve been enjoying this time travel journey!Find the visual aids for this episode at SBTB.com! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 23, 2025 • 47min
668. Hot Takes with Sarah & Amanda
Inspired by a recent episode of The Sam Sanders Show, Amanda and I are sharing our own hot takes and possibly controversial opinions about romance.We’re talking:Third act bleak moments!Transcending the genre!Rom coms!Cozy things!Conferences and gatherings!Accessories for Readers!TW/CW: We take a brief side trip into parental estrangement and emotional abuse....Our midroll ad was for The Historical Romance Sampler podcast – check them out! We also mentioned:The Sam Sanders Show (podcast) A Million Lives book conference media coverage (Guardian)DashconBridgerton Ball Gone Wrong (EW) Willy Wonka Experience (Reddit)Bookmark Handle PursesI Think You Should Leave with Tim RobinsonLove in Deep Space (game) Murderbot – Apple TV+Student Rate for Apple Music, with free Apple TV+Check out the SKIMS Ultimate Bra Collection and more at https://www.skims.com/sarah #skimspartnerTo advertise on this podcast please email: ad-sales@libsyn.comOr go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/smartpodcasttrashybooks Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.