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G Mark Hardy & Ross Young
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Jun 27, 2022 • 46min
#84 - Gaining Trust (with Robin Dreeke)
On this episode of CISO Tradecraft we feature Robin Dreeke from People Formula. Robin was the former head of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program and has an amazing background in learning how individuals think, build trust, and communicate. Robin highlights 4 Pillars of Communicating:
Seek the thoughts and opinions of others
Talk in terms of priorities, pain points, and challenges of others
Use Nonjudgmental validation (ie seek to understand others without judging)
Empower others with choice and give them cause and effect of each choice
To learn more about Robin's way of thinking you can check out his podcast and books:
Forged By Trust Podcast
Sizing People Up
The Code of Trust
It's Not All About Me
The People Formula Workbook 2.0: Communication Style Inventory

Jun 20, 2022 • 48min
#83 - Cyber Defense Matrix Reloaded (with Sounil Yu)
This episode is sponsored by Varonis. You can learn more on how to reduce your ransomware radius by performing a free ransomware readiness assessment Link
On this episode, Sounil Yu continues his discussion about his new book ("Cyber Defense Matrix"). Listen to learn more about:
Pre-Event Structural Awareness vs Post-Event Situational Awareness
Environmental vs Contextual Awareness
Understanding Security Handoffs
Rationalizing Technologies
Portfolio Analysis
Responding to Emerging Buzzwords (Zero Trust and SASE)

Jun 13, 2022 • 51min
#82 - Cyber Defense Matrix (with Sounil Yu)
This episode is sponsored by Varonis. You can learn more on how to reduce your ransomware radius by performing a free ransomware readiness assessment Link
This episode of CISO Tradecraft has Sounil Yu talk about his new book, "Cyber Defense Matrix: The Essential Guide to Navigating the Cybersecurity Landscape". Sounil reviews the Cyber Defense Matrix in depth. We discuss how the Cyber Defense Matrix can be used for:
Capturing & Organizing Measurements & Metrics
Developing a Cyber Security Roadmap
Gaining Greater Situational & Structural Awareness
Understanding Organizational Responsibilities & Handoffs
Rationalizing Technologies & Finding Investment Opportunities
Deciphering the Latest Industry Buzzword
You can purchase Sounil's new book here Link

Jun 6, 2022 • 41min
#81- Career Lessons from a CISO (with John Hellickson)
On this episode of CISO Tradecraft, John Hellickson from Coalfire talks about his career as a CISO. Listen and learn about:
The evolving role of the CISO
How John got started as a CISO
Whis is a Field CISO and how does it differ from a traditional CISO role
Tips on getting your career to the next level by attending the right conferences and getting an executive coach
How to get Business Alignment
How the Security Advisor Alliance is helping the next generation of cyber talent

May 30, 2022 • 44min
#80 - Breaking Backbones (with Deb Radcliff)
A respected journalist focusing on cybersecurity and our community of people for over 25 years, Deb Radcliff remains a trusted information source who checks and double-checks her sources before publication -- a refreshing change to the low signal - high noise world of social media.
In this episode, we discuss where CISOs might turn for accurate information, how the industry has evolved in complexity, and take a look at the first of three fictional novels she's writing about a future world where hackers take on an oppressive digital state. What is really interesting is her explanation of how she went from book idea to published reality.
Breaking Backbones Information is Power may be purchased from the following Amazon Link

May 23, 2022 • 39min
#79 - Addressing the Top CEO Concerns
On this Episode of CISO Tradecraft we talk about the Top 10 areas of concern for the C Suite about Ransomware. Note you can read the full ISC2 Study here (Link).
Cybersecurity professionals should keep the following golden rules in mind when communicating with the C-suite about ransomware.
Increase Communication and Reporting to Leadership
Temper Overconfidence as Needed
Tailor Your Message
Make the Case for New Staff and Other Investments
Make Clear that Ransomware Defense is Everyone’s Responsibility

May 16, 2022 • 45min
#78 - Business Objectives & 5 CISO Archetypes (with Christian Hyatt)
On this episode of CISO Tradecraft, Christian Hyatt from risk3sixty stops by to discuss the 3 major Business Objectives for CISOs:
Risk Management
Cost Reduction
Revenue Generation
He also discusses the five CISO Archetypes.
The Executive
The Engineer
The GRC Guru
The Technician
The Builder
References:
The 5 CISO Archetypes Book Link
Designing the CISO Role Link

May 9, 2022 • 47min
#77 - Countering Corporate Espionage
Chances are your organization has information that someone else wants. If it's another nation state, their methods may not be friendly or even legal. In this episode we address assessing risk, known "bad" actors, information targets, exfiltration, cyber security models, what the federal government is doing for contractors, and response strategies. Listen now so you don't become a statistic later.
References:
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/china-exec-summary-risk-to-corporate-america-2019.pdf
https://nhglobalpartners.com/made-in-china-2025/
https://www.cybintsolutions.com/cyber-security-facts-stats/
http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/final_it_sector_2008_0109.pdf
http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/final_government_sector2008_0109.pdf
CIS Controls v8.0, Center for Internet Security, May 2021, https://www.cisecurity.org
https://owasp.org/www-project-threat-and-safeguard-matrix/
https://www.acq.osd.mil/cmmc/about-us.html

May 2, 2022 • 42min
#76 - The Demise of the Cybersecurity Workforce
Our career has been growing like crazy with an estimated 3.5 million unfilled cybersecurity jobs within the next few years. More certs, more quals, more money, right? The sky’s the limit. But what if we’re wrong? AI, machine learning, security-by-design, outsourcing, and H-1B programs may put huge downward pressure on future job opportunities (and pay) in this country. Of course, we don’t WANT this, but shouldn’t a wise professional prepare for possibilities? [We did a ton of research looking at facts, figures, industry trends, and possible futures that might have us thinking that 2022 may have been “the good old days.” No gloom-and-doom here; just an objective look with a fresh perspective, you know, just in case.]

Apr 25, 2022 • 20min
#75 - Avoiding Death By PowerPoint
On this episode of CISO Tradecraft, we discuss how to avoid Death By PowerPoint by creating cyber awareness training that involves and engages listeners. Specifically we discuss:
The EDGE method: Explain, Demonstrate, Guide, and Enable
Escape Rooms
Tabletop Exercises
Polling During Presentations
Short videos from online resources
References:
https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2017/05/05/living-on-the-edge-this-is-the-correct-way-to-teach-someone-a-skill/
http://www.inquiry.net/ideals/scouting_game_purpose.htm
https://cisotradecraft.podbean.com/e/ciso-tradecraft-shall-we-play-a-game/
Escape Rooms
https://library.georgetown.org/virtual-escape-rooms/
https://research.fairfaxcounty.gov/unlimited/escape
Tabletop Exercises
From GCHQ
https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/information/exercise-in-a-box
From CISA
https://www.cisa.gov/cisa-tabletop-exercises-packages
Funny Videos on Cyber
https://staysafeonline.org/resource/security-awareness-episode/


