

CISO Tradecraft®
CISO Tradecraft®
Welcome to CISO Tradecraft®, your guide to mastering the art of being a top-tier Chief Information Security Officer (CISO). Our podcast empowers you to elevate your information security skills to an executive level. Join us on this journey through the domains of effective CISO leadership.
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May 12, 2025 • 26min
#232 - Inside The 2025 Verizon Data Breach Investigations Report
Join G Mark Hardy, host of CISO Tradecraft, as he breaks down the latest insights from the 2025 Verizon Data Breach Investigations Report (DBIR). In this episode, discover the top 10 takeaways for cybersecurity leaders including the surge in third-party breaches, the persistence of ransomware, and the human factors in security incidents. Learn actionable strategies to enhance your organization's security posture, from improving vendor risk management to understanding industry-specific threats. Stay ahead of cybercriminals and secure your data with practical, data-driven advice straight from one of the industry's most anticipated reports.
Verizon DBIR - https://www.verizon.com/business/resources/reports/dbir/
Transcripts - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h_YMpJvhAMB9wRyx92WkPYiKpFYyW2qz
Chapters
00:35 Verizon Data Breach Investigations Report (DBIR) Introduction
01:16 Accessing the DBIR Report
02:38 Key Takeaways from the DBIR
03:15 Third-Party Breaches
04:32 Ransomware Insights
08:08 Exploitation of Vulnerabilities
09:39 Credential Abuse
12:25 Espionage Attacks
14:04 System Intrusions in APAC
15:04 Business Email Compromise (BEC)
18:07 Human Risk and Security Awareness
19:19 Industry-Specific Trends
20:06 Multi-Layered Defense Strategy
21:08 Data Leakage to Gen AI

May 5, 2025 • 14min
#231 - Tackle Your Technical Debt
Join G Mark Hardy in this eye-opening episode of CISO Tradecraft as he shares a personal story about his dog Shelby's near-fatal experience and the costly lesson it taught him about technical debt. Discover how small overlooked issues in cybersecurity can compound and lead to significant risks and learn actionable steps to tackle technical debt before it turns into a crisis.
Pictures of Dog https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nBc9e3bBJVW0BQt5inGryhP3ahBz4XsQ/view?usp=drive_link https://drive.google.com/file/d/12V_DuwhgNBKgxJL0yqNq9Fopa4dauJfd/view?usp=drive_link
Transcripts https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-_X_9RQrurOLKRvbXyMjgbygESsabcCK
Chapters
00:21 Welcome to CISO Tradecraft
00:36 RSAC 2025 Conference Experience
01:22 Shelby's Health Scare
02:08 Understanding Technical Debt
02:41 The Consequences of Technical Debt
04:09 Shelby's Story as a Technical Debt Analogy
09:28 Lessons Learned from Shelby's Story
13:09 Conclusion and Call to Action

Apr 28, 2025 • 45min
#230 - How To Make Your AI Less Chatty (with Sounil Yu)
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy and guest Sounil Yu delve into the dual-edged sword of implementing Microsoft 365 Copilot in enterprises. While this productivity tool has transformative potential, it introduces significant oversharing risks that can be mitigated with the right strategies. Discover how Sounil and his team at Knostic have been tackling these challenges for over a year, presenting innovative solutions to ensure both productivity and security. They discuss the importance of 'need to know' principles and knowledge segmentation, providing insight into how organizations can harness the power of Microsoft 365 Copilot safely and effectively. Tune in to learn how to avoid becoming the 'department of no' and start being the 'department of know.'
Transcripts https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CT9HXdDmKojuXzWTbNYUE4Kgp_D64GyB
Knostic's Website - https://www.knostic.ai/solution-brief-request
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Microsoft Copilot Risks
00:32 Meet the Guest: Sounil Yu
02:51 Understanding Microsoft 365 Copilot
06:09 The DIKW Pyramid and Knowledge Management
08:34 Challenges of Data Permissions and Oversharing
19:01 Need to Know: A New Approach to Access Control
35:10 Measuring and Mitigating Risks with Copilot
39:46 Conclusion and Next Steps

Apr 21, 2025 • 20min
#229 - Understanding the Critical Role of CVEs and CVSS
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy delves into the crucial topic of Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) and the Common Vulnerability Scoring System (CVSS). Learn about the history, structure, and significance of the CVE database, the recent funding crisis, and what it means for the future of cybersecurity. We also explore the intricacies of CVE scoring and how it aids in prioritizing vulnerabilities. Tune in to understand how as a CISO, you can better prepare your organization against cyber threats and manage vulnerabilities efficiently.
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VzyzG5uUVLGVhPA5Ws0UFbHPnfHbsII
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to CVE and CVSS
01:13 History of Vulnerability Tracking
03:07 The CVE System Explained
06:47 Understanding CVSS Scoring
13:11 Recent Funding Crisis and Its Impact
15:53 Future of the CVE Program
18:27 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Apr 14, 2025 • 45min
#228 - CIS CSAT (with Scot Gicking)
Join host G Mark Hardy on CISO Tradecraft as he welcomes expert Scott Gicking to discuss the Center for Internet Security's (CIS) Controls Self-Assessment Tool (CSAT). Learn what CSAT is, how to effectively use it, and how it can enhance your career in cybersecurity. Stay tuned for insights on creating effective security frameworks, measuring maturity, and improving organizational security posture using the CSAT tool.
Scott Gicking - https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottgickingus/
CIS CSAT - https://www.cisecurity.org/controls/cis-controls-self-assessment-tool-cis-csat
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WAI9U0WEUSJH1ZVWM1HdtFEf-O9hLJBe
Chapters
01:16 Guest Introduction: Scott Gicking
02:49 Scott's Career Journey
04:03 The Hollywood Cybersecurity Incident
07:38 Introduction to CIS and Its Importance
09:49 Understanding the CIS CSAT Tool
10:13 Implementing CIS CSAT in a Real-World Scenario
13:00 Benefits of the CIS CSAT Tool
18:38 Developing a Three-Year Roadmap with CSAT
23:25 Scoring Policies and Controls
24:20 Control Implementation and Automation
25:22 CMMC Certification Levels
27:52 Honest Self-Assessment
30:01 Quick and Dirty Assessment Approach
33:07 Building Trust and Reporting
37:38 Business Impact Analysis Tool
40:02 Reputational Damage and CISO Challenges
42:55 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Apr 7, 2025 • 29min
#227 - The 30 Year CISO Evolution
Ever wonder how the CISO role went from obscure techie to boardroom MVP? In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, G Mark Hardy takes you on a journey through the evolution of the Chief Information Security Officer — from Steve Katz's groundbreaking appointment at Citibank in 1995 to the high-stakes, high-impact role CISOs play today.
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FlKBW6zlVBqLoSTQMGZIfz--ZLD_aS9t/edit
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Evolution of the CISO Role
00:58 The First CISO: Steve Katz's Pioneering Journey
03:58 Rise of Security Certifications
08:39 Regulatory Wake-Up Calls and Compliance
12:23 Cybersecurity in the Age of State-Sponsored Attacks
17:58 The Impact of Major Cyber Incidents
25:07 Modern Challenges and the Future of the CISO Role
27:51 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Mar 31, 2025 • 46min
#226 - Vulnerability Management (with Chris Hughes)
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, we host Chris Hughes, CEO of Aquia, cybersecurity consultant, and author. Chris shares insights on the evolving landscape of cybersecurity, discussing software supply chain threats, vulnerability management, relationships between security and development, and the future impacts of AI. Tune in to gain expert advice on becoming an effective cybersecurity leader.
Chris Hughes - https://www.linkedin.com/in/resilientcyber/
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j5ernS0Gk3LH-qcjhi6gOfojBqQljGhi
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Special Guest Announcement
00:55 Chris Hughes' Background and Career Journey
02:46 Government and Industry Engagement
03:42 Supply Chain Security Challenges
07:34 Vulnerability Management Insights
12:13 Navigating the Overwhelming Vulnerability Landscape
22:19 Building Positive Relationships in Cybersecurity
23:41 Empowering Risk-Informed Decisions
24:29 Aligning with Organizational Risk Appetite
25:33 Navigating Job Changes and Organizational Fit
26:32 The Role of Compliance in Security
33:27 The Impact of AI on Security
43:05 Balancing Build vs. Buy Decisions
45:05 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Mar 24, 2025 • 29min
#225 - The Full Irish
In this episode of CSO Tradecraft, host G. Mark Hardy introduces 'The Full Irish,' a cybersecurity framework based on the '12 Steps to Cybersecurity' guidance from Ireland's National Cybersecurity Center. The episode covers comprehensive steps from governance and risk management to incident response and resilience, making it a valuable resource for cybersecurity professionals. G Mark also discusses the implications of multinational companies operating in Ireland, including tax strategies and notable GDPR fines. The episode provides pragmatic guidance and actionable insights to enhance your cybersecurity program.
References: https://www.ncsc.gov.ie/pdfs/Cybersecurity_12_steps.pdf
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VLeRozClLZAkZsusYsUn4Q9_1v7WCoN0
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Full Irish
01:32 Why Ireland?
02:40 Tax Avoidance Schemes
04:25 GDPR Penalties and Data Protection
05:54 Overview of the 12 Steps to Cybersecurity
07:19 Step 1: Governance and Organization
09:24 Step 2: Identify What Matters Most
10:31 Step 3: Understanding the Threats
12:35 Step 4: Defining Risk Appetite
14:10 Step 5: Education and Awareness
16:00 Step 6: Implement Basic Protections
18:00 Step 7: Detect and Attack
19:37 Step 8: Be Prepared to React
21:24 Step 9: Risk-Based Approach to Resilience
22:52 Step 10: Automated Protections
23:58 Step 11: Challenge and Test Regularly
25:29 Step 12: Cyber Risk Management Lifecycle
26:29 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Mar 17, 2025 • 31min
#224 - The Evolution of Data Loss Prevention (DLP)
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G. Mark Hardy dives into the evolution, challenges, and solutions of Data Loss Prevention (DLP). From early methods like 'dirty word lists' in the military to advanced AI and machine learning models of today, discover how DLP technologies have developed to safeguard sensitive information. Learn about different DLP phases, regulatory impacts, and modern tools like Microsoft Purview that can help manage and classify data effectively. This episode is packed with valuable insights to help you tackle data security with confidence and efficiency.
Transcripts
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u7owNI5P3WajJvRPIXbzrUYy-PCsRcfC
References
Crash course in Microsoft Purview: A guide to securing and managing your data estate
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Data Loss Prevention (DLP)
00:45 Early Days of DLP: Dirty Word Lists and Simple Networks
02:39 Evolution of DLP: Content Filtering and Endpoint Protection
06:05 Advanced Content Inspection and Policy Enforcement
09:19 Unified DLP and Cloud Adoption
16:04 Modern DLP: AI, Machine Learning, and Zero Trust
19:12 Implementing DLP with Microsoft Purview
28:59 Summary and Final Thoughts

Mar 10, 2025 • 26min
#223 - A CISO Primer on Agentic AI
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, G. Mark Hardy dives deep into the world of Agentic AI and its impact on cybersecurity. The discussion covers the definition and characteristics of Agentic AI, as well as expert insights on its feasibility. Learn about its primary functions—perception, cognition, and action—and explore practical cybersecurity applications. Discover the rapid advancements made by tech giants and potential risks involved. This episode is a comprehensive guide to understanding and securely implementing Agentic AI in your enterprise.
Transcripts https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tIv2NKX0DL4NTnvqKV9rKrgrewa68m3W
References
Vladimir Putin - https://www.rt.com/news/401731-ai-rule-world-putin/
Minds and Machines - https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s44163-024-00216-2
Anthropic - https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/22/anthropic-announces-ai-agents-for-complex-tasks-racing-openai.html
Convergence AI - https://convergence.ai/training-web-agents-with-web-world-models-dec-2024/
OpenAI Operator - https://openai.com/index/introducing-operator/
ByteDance UITARS - https://venturebeat.com/ai/bytedances-ui-tars-can-take-over-your-computer-outperforms-gpt-4o-and-claude/
Zapier - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/openai-bytedance-zapier-launch-ai-agents-getcoai-l6blf/
Microsoft OmniParser - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/articles/omniparser-v2-turning-any-llm-into-a-computer-use-agent/
Google Project Mariner - https://deepmind.google/technologies/project-mariner/
Rajeev Sharma - Agentic AI Architecture - https://markovate.com/blog/agentic-ai-architecture/
NIST.AI.600-1 - https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.AI.600-1
Mitre ATLAS - https://atlas.mitre.org/
OWASP Top 10 for LLMs - https://owasp.org/www-project-top-10-for-large-language-model-applications/
ISO 42001 - https://www.iso.org/standard/81230.html
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Intriguing Quote
01:10 Defining Agentic AI
02:01 Expert Insights on Agency
04:32 Agentic AI in Practice
06:54 Recent Developments in Agentic AI
08:20 Deep Dive into Agentic AI Infrastructure
15:35 Use Cases for Agentic AI
21:12 Challenges and Considerations
24:22 Conclusion and Recap