
CISO Tradecraft®
Welcome to CISO Tradecraft®, your guide to mastering the art of being a top-tier Chief Information Security Officer (CISO). Our podcast empowers you to elevate your information security skills to an executive level. Join us on this journey through the domains of effective CISO leadership.
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Apr 14, 2025 • 45min
#228 - CIS CSAT (with Scot Gicking)
Join host G Mark Hardy on CISO Tradecraft as he welcomes expert Scott Gicking to discuss the Center for Internet Security's (CIS) Controls Self-Assessment Tool (CSAT). Learn what CSAT is, how to effectively use it, and how it can enhance your career in cybersecurity. Stay tuned for insights on creating effective security frameworks, measuring maturity, and improving organizational security posture using the CSAT tool.
Scott Gicking - https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottgickingus/
CIS CSAT - https://www.cisecurity.org/controls/cis-controls-self-assessment-tool-cis-csat
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WAI9U0WEUSJH1ZVWM1HdtFEf-O9hLJBe
Chapters
01:16 Guest Introduction: Scott Gicking
02:49 Scott's Career Journey
04:03 The Hollywood Cybersecurity Incident
07:38 Introduction to CIS and Its Importance
09:49 Understanding the CIS CSAT Tool
10:13 Implementing CIS CSAT in a Real-World Scenario
13:00 Benefits of the CIS CSAT Tool
18:38 Developing a Three-Year Roadmap with CSAT
23:25 Scoring Policies and Controls
24:20 Control Implementation and Automation
25:22 CMMC Certification Levels
27:52 Honest Self-Assessment
30:01 Quick and Dirty Assessment Approach
33:07 Building Trust and Reporting
37:38 Business Impact Analysis Tool
40:02 Reputational Damage and CISO Challenges
42:55 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Apr 7, 2025 • 29min
#227 - The 30 Year CISO Evolution
Ever wonder how the CISO role went from obscure techie to boardroom MVP? In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, G Mark Hardy takes you on a journey through the evolution of the Chief Information Security Officer — from Steve Katz's groundbreaking appointment at Citibank in 1995 to the high-stakes, high-impact role CISOs play today.
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FlKBW6zlVBqLoSTQMGZIfz--ZLD_aS9t/edit
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Evolution of the CISO Role
00:58 The First CISO: Steve Katz's Pioneering Journey
03:58 Rise of Security Certifications
08:39 Regulatory Wake-Up Calls and Compliance
12:23 Cybersecurity in the Age of State-Sponsored Attacks
17:58 The Impact of Major Cyber Incidents
25:07 Modern Challenges and the Future of the CISO Role
27:51 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Mar 31, 2025 • 46min
#226 - Vulnerability Management (with Chris Hughes)
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, we host Chris Hughes, CEO of Aquia, cybersecurity consultant, and author. Chris shares insights on the evolving landscape of cybersecurity, discussing software supply chain threats, vulnerability management, relationships between security and development, and the future impacts of AI. Tune in to gain expert advice on becoming an effective cybersecurity leader.
Chris Hughes - https://www.linkedin.com/in/resilientcyber/
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j5ernS0Gk3LH-qcjhi6gOfojBqQljGhi
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Special Guest Announcement
00:55 Chris Hughes' Background and Career Journey
02:46 Government and Industry Engagement
03:42 Supply Chain Security Challenges
07:34 Vulnerability Management Insights
12:13 Navigating the Overwhelming Vulnerability Landscape
22:19 Building Positive Relationships in Cybersecurity
23:41 Empowering Risk-Informed Decisions
24:29 Aligning with Organizational Risk Appetite
25:33 Navigating Job Changes and Organizational Fit
26:32 The Role of Compliance in Security
33:27 The Impact of AI on Security
43:05 Balancing Build vs. Buy Decisions
45:05 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Mar 24, 2025 • 29min
#225 - The Full Irish
In this episode of CSO Tradecraft, host G. Mark Hardy introduces 'The Full Irish,' a cybersecurity framework based on the '12 Steps to Cybersecurity' guidance from Ireland's National Cybersecurity Center. The episode covers comprehensive steps from governance and risk management to incident response and resilience, making it a valuable resource for cybersecurity professionals. G Mark also discusses the implications of multinational companies operating in Ireland, including tax strategies and notable GDPR fines. The episode provides pragmatic guidance and actionable insights to enhance your cybersecurity program.
References: https://www.ncsc.gov.ie/pdfs/Cybersecurity_12_steps.pdf
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VLeRozClLZAkZsusYsUn4Q9_1v7WCoN0
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Full Irish
01:32 Why Ireland?
02:40 Tax Avoidance Schemes
04:25 GDPR Penalties and Data Protection
05:54 Overview of the 12 Steps to Cybersecurity
07:19 Step 1: Governance and Organization
09:24 Step 2: Identify What Matters Most
10:31 Step 3: Understanding the Threats
12:35 Step 4: Defining Risk Appetite
14:10 Step 5: Education and Awareness
16:00 Step 6: Implement Basic Protections
18:00 Step 7: Detect and Attack
19:37 Step 8: Be Prepared to React
21:24 Step 9: Risk-Based Approach to Resilience
22:52 Step 10: Automated Protections
23:58 Step 11: Challenge and Test Regularly
25:29 Step 12: Cyber Risk Management Lifecycle
26:29 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Mar 17, 2025 • 31min
#224 - The Evolution of Data Loss Prevention (DLP)
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G. Mark Hardy dives into the evolution, challenges, and solutions of Data Loss Prevention (DLP). From early methods like 'dirty word lists' in the military to advanced AI and machine learning models of today, discover how DLP technologies have developed to safeguard sensitive information. Learn about different DLP phases, regulatory impacts, and modern tools like Microsoft Purview that can help manage and classify data effectively. This episode is packed with valuable insights to help you tackle data security with confidence and efficiency.
Transcripts
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u7owNI5P3WajJvRPIXbzrUYy-PCsRcfC
References
Crash course in Microsoft Purview: A guide to securing and managing your data estate
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Data Loss Prevention (DLP)
00:45 Early Days of DLP: Dirty Word Lists and Simple Networks
02:39 Evolution of DLP: Content Filtering and Endpoint Protection
06:05 Advanced Content Inspection and Policy Enforcement
09:19 Unified DLP and Cloud Adoption
16:04 Modern DLP: AI, Machine Learning, and Zero Trust
19:12 Implementing DLP with Microsoft Purview
28:59 Summary and Final Thoughts

Mar 10, 2025 • 26min
#223 - A CISO Primer on Agentic AI
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, G. Mark Hardy dives deep into the world of Agentic AI and its impact on cybersecurity. The discussion covers the definition and characteristics of Agentic AI, as well as expert insights on its feasibility. Learn about its primary functions—perception, cognition, and action—and explore practical cybersecurity applications. Discover the rapid advancements made by tech giants and potential risks involved. This episode is a comprehensive guide to understanding and securely implementing Agentic AI in your enterprise.
Transcripts https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tIv2NKX0DL4NTnvqKV9rKrgrewa68m3W
References
Vladimir Putin - https://www.rt.com/news/401731-ai-rule-world-putin/
Minds and Machines - https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s44163-024-00216-2
Anthropic - https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/22/anthropic-announces-ai-agents-for-complex-tasks-racing-openai.html
Convergence AI - https://convergence.ai/training-web-agents-with-web-world-models-dec-2024/
OpenAI Operator - https://openai.com/index/introducing-operator/
ByteDance UITARS - https://venturebeat.com/ai/bytedances-ui-tars-can-take-over-your-computer-outperforms-gpt-4o-and-claude/
Zapier - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/openai-bytedance-zapier-launch-ai-agents-getcoai-l6blf/
Microsoft OmniParser - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/articles/omniparser-v2-turning-any-llm-into-a-computer-use-agent/
Google Project Mariner - https://deepmind.google/technologies/project-mariner/
Rajeev Sharma - Agentic AI Architecture - https://markovate.com/blog/agentic-ai-architecture/
NIST.AI.600-1 - https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.AI.600-1
Mitre ATLAS - https://atlas.mitre.org/
OWASP Top 10 for LLMs - https://owasp.org/www-project-top-10-for-large-language-model-applications/
ISO 42001 - https://www.iso.org/standard/81230.html
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Intriguing Quote
01:10 Defining Agentic AI
02:01 Expert Insights on Agency
04:32 Agentic AI in Practice
06:54 Recent Developments in Agentic AI
08:20 Deep Dive into Agentic AI Infrastructure
15:35 Use Cases for Agentic AI
21:12 Challenges and Considerations
24:22 Conclusion and Recap

Mar 3, 2025 • 40min
#222 - 40 Years of Career Advice in 40 Minutes
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, G. Mark Hardy shares 15 crucial characteristics to help you succeed in your cybersecurity career and become an effective CISO. From knowing yourself and developing leadership skills to enhancing communications and staying current with trends, Hardy distills decades of wisdom into practical advice. Learn how to navigate career transitions, build technical credibility, become an effective storyteller, and master political skills essential for C-level success.
Transcripts:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MpjXD8LqnHS_Lj1S-6T7vxcclxzUjEhe
Chapters
01:30 Know Yourself: The First Step to Success
05:23 Develop Your Leadership Skills
07:09 Enhance Your Communication Skills
11:37 Gain Broad Experience
14:28 Pursue Advanced Education
18:13 Network with Other Professionals
20:47 The Importance of Mentorship
22:20 Building Valuable Connections
23:43 Aligning with Business Goals
25:38 Deepening Technical Expertise
26:59 Staying Current with Trends
28:03 Promoting a Security-First Culture
30:18 Addressing Skills Gaps
31:53 Becoming a Master Storyteller
33:35 Engaging with Executives
34:41 Strategic Thinking and Time Management
37:27 Mastering Political Skills
39:14 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Feb 24, 2025 • 28min
#221 - Microsoft Majorana is Taking the Quantum Leap
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy discusses Microsoft's groundbreaking announcement of their new quantum chip, the Majorana. The chip harnesses properties of a topological superconductor, making quantum computing promises more tangible. The episode delves into the technical aspects of quantum bits (qubits), cryptography, and the implications of topological quantum computing. With insights on competitor advancements by Google and potential challenges, this episode provides a comprehensive overview of quantum computing's future and its cyber security implications.
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O2XG47o2_6jHBtPKL2PcwGRKPe69wFvi
Link: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/quantum/2025/02/19/microsoft-unveils-majorana-1-the-worlds-first-quantum-processor-powered-by-topological-qubits/
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to CISO Tradecraft
00:26 Microsoft's Quantum Chip Announcement
01:51 Understanding Quantum Bits
03:23 Quantum Computing and Cryptography
06:00 Microsoft's Quantum Leap
09:41 The Physics Behind Quantum Computing
16:48 Majorana Particle and Its Significance
20:29 Applications and Future of Quantum Computing
25:01 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Feb 17, 2025 • 43min
#220 - Executive Updates to AI
In this CISO Tradecraft episode, host G. Mark Hardy delves into the recent U.S. presidential executive orders impacting AI and their implications for cybersecurity professionals. Learn about the evolution of AI policies from various administrations and how they influence national security, innovation, and the strategic decisions of CISOs. Discover key directives, deregulatory moves, and practical steps you can take to secure your AI systems in an era marked by rapidly changing regulations. Plus, explore the benefits of using AI tools like ZeroPath to bolster your cybersecurity efforts.
Big Thanks to our Sponsors: ZeroPath - https://zeropath.com/
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nv27tpDQs2fjdOedJOi0LhlkyQ5N5dKt
Links:
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/publications/teaching-legal-docs/what-is-an-executive-order-/
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/02/14/2019-02544/maintaining-american-leadership-in-artificial-intelligence
https://www.csis.org/analysis/made-china-2025
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242704112_China's_15-year_Science_and_Technology_Plan https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/08/2020-27065/promoting-the-use-of-trustworthy-artificial-intelligence-in-the-federal-government https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/05/17/2021-10460/improving-the-nations-cybersecurity
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/11/01/2023-24283/safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-14148-initial-rescissions-harmful- executive-orders-and-actions
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/01/17/2025-01470/strengthening-and-promoting- innovation-in-the-nations-cybersecurity
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/01/17/2025-01470/strengthening-and-promoting- innovation-in-the-nations-cybersecurity
https://www.cisecurity.org/controls/cis-controls-list
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to AI Policy Shifts
00:23 AI Tool for Cybersecurity: ZeroPath
01:12 Understanding Executive Orders
02:44 EO 13859: Maintaining American Leadership in AI
05:42 EO 13960: Trustworthy AI in Federal Government
07:10 EO 14028: Strengthening U.S. Cybersecurity
09:38 EO 14110: Safe and Trustworthy AI Development
11:09 EO 14148: Rescinding AI Policies
12:21 EO 14179: Removing Barriers to AI Innovation
15:26 EO 14144: Strengthening Cybersecurity Innovation
37:19 Mapping Executive Orders to CIS Controls
40:15 Conclusion and Key Takeaways

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Feb 10, 2025 • 41min
#219 - The Professionalization of CISOs (with Steve Zalewski & Tyson Kopczynski)
This podcast episode discusses the formation of a professional association for CISOs, driven by increasing personal liability risks faced by these executives. The conversation centers on establishing a formal definition and accreditation process for the CISO role, moving beyond existing certifications to demonstrate operational and theoretical expertise. This professionalization effort aims to reduce personal liability through a tailored insurance product, negotiated collectively by the association, and preempt potentially ill-defined government regulations. Ultimately, the goal is to create a structured, respected profession for CISOs, offering benefits such as insurance, professional development, and a unified voice within the industry.
Professional Association of CISOs - https://theciso.org/
Transcripts - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNeUzSyPYX-vAYwQl9qCi0GhknYhKnWF/
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Professionalizing the CISO Role
00:52 The Genesis of a Professional Association
03:39 Challenges and Legal Liabilities for CISOs
04:43 The Value of Joining the Association
06:24 Accreditation and Certification Process
10:38 Insurance and Risk Management for CISOs
18:45 Future Directions and Getting Involved
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