
CISO Tradecraft®
Welcome to CISO Tradecraft®, your guide to mastering the art of being a top-tier Chief Information Security Officer (CISO). Our podcast empowers you to elevate your information security skills to an executive level. Join us on this journey through the domains of effective CISO leadership.
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Latest episodes

Jun 2, 2025 • 41min
#235 - Grey is the New Black (with Ryan Gooler)
Join G Mark Hardy at THOTCON in Chicago for an insightful podcast episode on building a successful cybersecurity career. Featuring guest Ryan Gooler, they discuss the non-linear paths to success, the value of mentorship, financial planning, and the importance of continuous learning and adapting. Learn how to navigate career transitions, embrace risks, and find joy in teaching and learning from others in the cybersecurity community.
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nsd61mkIWbmIL1qube0-cdqINsDujAVH
Chapters
00:00 Welcome to THOTCON: Meeting Amazing People
00:26 Introducing Ryan Gooler: A Journey into Cybersecurity
04:09 The Value of Mentorship in Cybersecurity
06:22 Career Management and Setting Goals
09:33 Financial Planning for Cybersecurity Professionals
16:40 Automating Finances and Smart Spending
21:25 Financial Sophistication and Mutual Funds
22:07 Automating Life Tasks
22:41 The Concept of a Finishing Stamp
24:17 Leadership and Delegation in the Navy
26:06 Building and Maintaining Culture
27:21 Surviving Toxic Environments
29:55 Taking Risks and Finding Joy
34:34 Advice for Cybersecurity Careers
39:01 The Importance of Teaching and Learning
40:29 Conclusion and Farewell

May 26, 2025 • 33min
#234 - Model Context Protocol (MCP)
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy delves into the emerging concept of Model Context Protocol (MCP) and its significance in AI and enterprise security. Launched by Anthropic in November 2024, MCP is designed to standardize how AI systems interact with external data sources and applications. Hardy explores how MCP differs from traditional APIs, its implications for security, and the steps organizations need to take to prepare for its adoption. Key topics include the stateful nature of MCP, security risks such as prompt injection and tool poisoning, and the importance of developing a robust governance framework. By the end of the episode, listeners will have a comprehensive understanding of MCP and practical recommendations for safeguarding their AI-driven workflows.
Transcripts https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vyfFJgTbsH73CcQhtBBkOfDoTrJYqzl_
References
Model Context Protocol specification and security best practices, https://modelcontextprotocol.io
Security risks of MCP, https://pillar.security
MCP security considerations, https://writer.com
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Model Context Protocol (MCP)
00:27 Understanding MCP and Its Importance
01:41 How MCP Works and Its Security Implications
04:23 Comparing MCP to Traditional APIs
08:41 MCP Architecture and Security Benefits
12:07 Top Security Risks of MCP
18:00 Implementing Security Controls for MCP
25:00 Governance Framework for MCP
28:03 Future Trends and Strategic Recommendations
30:34 Conclusion and Next Steps

May 19, 2025 • 45min
#233 - Web 3.0 Explained (with Aaron Markell)
Web 3.0 Explained: Business Cases, Security, and Future Prospects | CISO Tradecraft In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy welcomes special guest Aaron Markell to discuss the intricacies of Web 3.0. They explore the evolution from Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 to the decentralized structure of Web 3.0, describing its application in various industries like finance, healthcare, and supply chain. The conversation dives into blockchain technology, the role of tokens, smart contracts, and consensus mechanisms like proof of work and proof of stake. They also touch on potential future developments involving AI in Web 3.0, offering valuable insights for business leaders and cybersecurity professionals looking to understand and leverage this emerging technology.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Web 3.0
00:31 Meet the Expert: Aaron Markell
01:39 Aaron's Journey into Web 3.0
03:51 Understanding Web 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0
04:36 Decentralization and Blockchain Basics
05:51 The SETI Project and Distributed Workloads
08:09 Proof of Work and Blockchain Security
17:22 Smart Contracts Explained
20:10 Proof of Stake vs. Proof of Work
23:51 The Role of Tokens in Web 3.0
24:22 Understanding Microtransactions and Ownership
25:05 What is an NFT?
26:40 The Rise and Fall of NFTs
28:36 Web 3.0 and Its Impact on Industries
30:10 Blockchain in Finance and Commerce
30:55 Private Blockchains and Government Transparency
34:09 Blockchain in Legal and Healthcare Sectors
36:59 Supply Chain Transformation with Web 3.0
39:59 The Future of Web 3.0 and AI Integration
41:03 Final Thoughts and Security Tips

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May 12, 2025 • 26min
#232 - Inside The 2025 Verizon Data Breach Investigations Report
Join G Mark Hardy, host of CISO Tradecraft, as he breaks down the latest insights from the 2025 Verizon Data Breach Investigations Report (DBIR). In this episode, discover the top 10 takeaways for cybersecurity leaders including the surge in third-party breaches, the persistence of ransomware, and the human factors in security incidents. Learn actionable strategies to enhance your organization's security posture, from improving vendor risk management to understanding industry-specific threats. Stay ahead of cybercriminals and secure your data with practical, data-driven advice straight from one of the industry's most anticipated reports.
Verizon DBIR - https://www.verizon.com/business/resources/reports/dbir/
Transcripts - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h_YMpJvhAMB9wRyx92WkPYiKpFYyW2qz
Chapters
00:35 Verizon Data Breach Investigations Report (DBIR) Introduction
01:16 Accessing the DBIR Report
02:38 Key Takeaways from the DBIR
03:15 Third-Party Breaches
04:32 Ransomware Insights
08:08 Exploitation of Vulnerabilities
09:39 Credential Abuse
12:25 Espionage Attacks
14:04 System Intrusions in APAC
15:04 Business Email Compromise (BEC)
18:07 Human Risk and Security Awareness
19:19 Industry-Specific Trends
20:06 Multi-Layered Defense Strategy
21:08 Data Leakage to Gen AI

May 5, 2025 • 14min
#231 - Tackle Your Technical Debt
Join G Mark Hardy in this eye-opening episode of CISO Tradecraft as he shares a personal story about his dog Shelby's near-fatal experience and the costly lesson it taught him about technical debt. Discover how small overlooked issues in cybersecurity can compound and lead to significant risks and learn actionable steps to tackle technical debt before it turns into a crisis.
Pictures of Dog https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nBc9e3bBJVW0BQt5inGryhP3ahBz4XsQ/view?usp=drive_link https://drive.google.com/file/d/12V_DuwhgNBKgxJL0yqNq9Fopa4dauJfd/view?usp=drive_link
Transcripts https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-_X_9RQrurOLKRvbXyMjgbygESsabcCK
Chapters
00:21 Welcome to CISO Tradecraft
00:36 RSAC 2025 Conference Experience
01:22 Shelby's Health Scare
02:08 Understanding Technical Debt
02:41 The Consequences of Technical Debt
04:09 Shelby's Story as a Technical Debt Analogy
09:28 Lessons Learned from Shelby's Story
13:09 Conclusion and Call to Action

Apr 28, 2025 • 45min
#230 - How To Make Your AI Less Chatty (with Sounil Yu)
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy and guest Sounil Yu delve into the dual-edged sword of implementing Microsoft 365 Copilot in enterprises. While this productivity tool has transformative potential, it introduces significant oversharing risks that can be mitigated with the right strategies. Discover how Sounil and his team at Knostic have been tackling these challenges for over a year, presenting innovative solutions to ensure both productivity and security. They discuss the importance of 'need to know' principles and knowledge segmentation, providing insight into how organizations can harness the power of Microsoft 365 Copilot safely and effectively. Tune in to learn how to avoid becoming the 'department of no' and start being the 'department of know.'
Transcripts https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CT9HXdDmKojuXzWTbNYUE4Kgp_D64GyB
Knostic's Website - https://www.knostic.ai/solution-brief-request
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Microsoft Copilot Risks
00:32 Meet the Guest: Sounil Yu
02:51 Understanding Microsoft 365 Copilot
06:09 The DIKW Pyramid and Knowledge Management
08:34 Challenges of Data Permissions and Oversharing
19:01 Need to Know: A New Approach to Access Control
35:10 Measuring and Mitigating Risks with Copilot
39:46 Conclusion and Next Steps

Apr 21, 2025 • 20min
#229 - Understanding the Critical Role of CVEs and CVSS
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, host G Mark Hardy delves into the crucial topic of Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) and the Common Vulnerability Scoring System (CVSS). Learn about the history, structure, and significance of the CVE database, the recent funding crisis, and what it means for the future of cybersecurity. We also explore the intricacies of CVE scoring and how it aids in prioritizing vulnerabilities. Tune in to understand how as a CISO, you can better prepare your organization against cyber threats and manage vulnerabilities efficiently.
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VzyzG5uUVLGVhPA5Ws0UFbHPnfHbsII
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to CVE and CVSS
01:13 History of Vulnerability Tracking
03:07 The CVE System Explained
06:47 Understanding CVSS Scoring
13:11 Recent Funding Crisis and Its Impact
15:53 Future of the CVE Program
18:27 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Apr 14, 2025 • 45min
#228 - CIS CSAT (with Scot Gicking)
Join host G Mark Hardy on CISO Tradecraft as he welcomes expert Scott Gicking to discuss the Center for Internet Security's (CIS) Controls Self-Assessment Tool (CSAT). Learn what CSAT is, how to effectively use it, and how it can enhance your career in cybersecurity. Stay tuned for insights on creating effective security frameworks, measuring maturity, and improving organizational security posture using the CSAT tool.
Scott Gicking - https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottgickingus/
CIS CSAT - https://www.cisecurity.org/controls/cis-controls-self-assessment-tool-cis-csat
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WAI9U0WEUSJH1ZVWM1HdtFEf-O9hLJBe
Chapters
01:16 Guest Introduction: Scott Gicking
02:49 Scott's Career Journey
04:03 The Hollywood Cybersecurity Incident
07:38 Introduction to CIS and Its Importance
09:49 Understanding the CIS CSAT Tool
10:13 Implementing CIS CSAT in a Real-World Scenario
13:00 Benefits of the CIS CSAT Tool
18:38 Developing a Three-Year Roadmap with CSAT
23:25 Scoring Policies and Controls
24:20 Control Implementation and Automation
25:22 CMMC Certification Levels
27:52 Honest Self-Assessment
30:01 Quick and Dirty Assessment Approach
33:07 Building Trust and Reporting
37:38 Business Impact Analysis Tool
40:02 Reputational Damage and CISO Challenges
42:55 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Apr 7, 2025 • 29min
#227 - The 30 Year CISO Evolution
Ever wonder how the CISO role went from obscure techie to boardroom MVP? In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, G Mark Hardy takes you on a journey through the evolution of the Chief Information Security Officer — from Steve Katz's groundbreaking appointment at Citibank in 1995 to the high-stakes, high-impact role CISOs play today.
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FlKBW6zlVBqLoSTQMGZIfz--ZLD_aS9t/edit
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Evolution of the CISO Role
00:58 The First CISO: Steve Katz's Pioneering Journey
03:58 Rise of Security Certifications
08:39 Regulatory Wake-Up Calls and Compliance
12:23 Cybersecurity in the Age of State-Sponsored Attacks
17:58 The Impact of Major Cyber Incidents
25:07 Modern Challenges and the Future of the CISO Role
27:51 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Mar 31, 2025 • 46min
#226 - Vulnerability Management (with Chris Hughes)
In this episode of CISO Tradecraft, we host Chris Hughes, CEO of Aquia, cybersecurity consultant, and author. Chris shares insights on the evolving landscape of cybersecurity, discussing software supply chain threats, vulnerability management, relationships between security and development, and the future impacts of AI. Tune in to gain expert advice on becoming an effective cybersecurity leader.
Chris Hughes - https://www.linkedin.com/in/resilientcyber/
Transcripts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j5ernS0Gk3LH-qcjhi6gOfojBqQljGhi
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Special Guest Announcement
00:55 Chris Hughes' Background and Career Journey
02:46 Government and Industry Engagement
03:42 Supply Chain Security Challenges
07:34 Vulnerability Management Insights
12:13 Navigating the Overwhelming Vulnerability Landscape
22:19 Building Positive Relationships in Cybersecurity
23:41 Empowering Risk-Informed Decisions
24:29 Aligning with Organizational Risk Appetite
25:33 Navigating Job Changes and Organizational Fit
26:32 The Role of Compliance in Security
33:27 The Impact of AI on Security
43:05 Balancing Build vs. Buy Decisions
45:05 Conclusion and Final Thoughts