
Build a Better Agency Podcast
Scale and grow your agency with better clients, invested employees, and a stronger bottom line, with Drew McLellan.
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May 23, 2022 • 54min
EP 346: Empowering women as agency owners with Christy Hiler
Women own less than 1% of the ad agencies in North America. This gender gap is disappointing and staggering, but in this episode of Build a Better Agency, our guest expert Christy Hiler reminds us that bridging that gap is far from impossible. During our conversation, Christy helps us unravel this alarming statistic by exploring the barriers that may be keeping the women we lead and work with from pursuing ownership roles or viewing ownership, not just leadership, as an end goal in the first place. In addition to discussing the things that may be holding women back, Christy and I also discuss the progress from encouraging, elevating, and celebrating women-owned agencies, and what we can do as agency owners to help empower more women within our networks to pursue ownership roles. This topic is near and dear to me as both an agency owner and someone who has the privilege of working alongside the women-led agencies represented in AMI. My hope is that you will not only enjoy this conversation with Christy, but that you will link arms with her and leaders like her so that we can all work together to tackle problems like this in our industry. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: What the “Own It” initiative is, and what inspired Christy to launch it Why women own less than 1% of all ad agencies in North America The barriers that may be preventing women in the industry from becoming agency owners Why inviting and empowering women in these spaces is a benefit for everyone How women-led agencies are doing things differently — and why that’s so great What current agency owners can do to mentor, encourage, and empower the women they work with to seek ownership opportunities How you can help Christy identify, support, and celebrate women-led agencies in the industry

May 16, 2022 • 24min
Ep 345: 2022 Marketing trends (PART 1) with Drew McLellan
Summertime is just around the corner, which means now is the perfect time of year for agency owners like us to take stock of where we’re at now and where we want to be sitting by the end of the year. How can we get a clear picture of how 2022 is stacking up against 2021? By taking a close look at the trends that have, and will continue, to affect our industry as a whole. On this week’s solocast episode of Build a Better Agency, we’re taking a look at the marketing trends that have shaped the first part of the year so we can mitigate the bad, take advantage of the good, and come into the second half of 2022 stronger than ever. As the title suggests, this discussion is being split into two parts — so be sure to keep an eye out for Part 2 during our next solocast! A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Which marketing trends are in Drew’s crosshairs — and why How 2022 stacks up against 2021 so far Why so many agencies are feeling the pinch more this year than last The metrics agency owners aren’t paying enough attention to How those metrics can help you add 5% profit to your bottom line this year Business development opportunities that you don’t want to miss out on — and how to make sure you don’t How client expectations have changed in the past few years

May 9, 2022 • 48min
EP 344: Becoming trusted agency leaders with Sue Dyer
As agency owners, the work environments we create are a direct reflection of our leadership styles. In a trust-led environment, our people should feel safe to speak up, take risks, and take ownership of the work they produce. Trust is the cornerstone for strong communication, creativity, and the innovation that fuels our business. So, what happens when trust isn’t part of the equation? Our guest for this episode of Build a Better Agency, Sue Dyer, is an expert on all things leadership. She wrote the book on trusted leadership (literally) and has seen firsthand how teams and even entire agencies tend to fall apart when the people at the helm aren’t leading with trust. During our conversation, Sue and I unpack what it means to be a trusted leader, how agency owners can determine their leadership style, and what it takes to build successful organizations based on trust. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: What it means to be a trusted agency leader Why trust is the cornerstone of success for any business How to create a high-trust environment at your agency Ways to help new team members adapt to a trusted environment Why “fear-led” environments have wiped out so many businesses How to determine whether or not you are a trusted leader What to do in order to start becoming a trusted leader

May 2, 2022 • 44min
EP 343: AI and the future of agency tools with Paul Roetzer
Whether we realize it or not, artificial intelligence (AI) has already impacted countless aspects of our everyday lives. And as the technology we rely on continues to adapt and change, those changes will inevitably shape the future of our businesses, our industry, and our society. As agency owners, it’s our job to stay ahead of those changes — even if the thought of an AI-driven agency is, understandably, a little intimidating. Our guest on this episode of Build a Better Agency, Paul Roetzer, is not only an expert on all things AI, but he’s also someone who is dedicated to helping agency owners and other industry professionals. Paul teaches those agency owners and industry professionals how to pilot and scale AI technology so they can use it to drive efficiency, growth, and creativity for their business. During our enlightening conversation, Paul demystifies the fascinating realities of artificial intelligence by walking us through what it really is, how AI agency tools can help make us better at our jobs, and why shaping the future of marketing starts with understanding how to use AI platforms, programs, and services responsibly. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: How artificial intelligence will — and already is — shaping the future of agency tools Why AI is NOT here to take your job Where you’re already seeing AI in your everyday life, and where you WILL see it in marketing in the marketing world What AI technology can do to help you make your agency smarter right now Why Paul says that you don’t need to go shopping for AI tools — and what to do instead How AI agency tools can be used to drive efficiency and growth for your business What Paul believes a “Next Gen” agency looks like — and how to become one

Apr 25, 2022 • 53min
EP 342: A behind the scenes look at inbound leads with Eric Stockton
As agency partners, we have access to an insane amount of backend data and insights into our clients’ business. Now what? How can we use all of that data to build momentum in our clients’ revenue pipelines and translate those insights for them so that they can make the case when they’re at the table with the decision-makers on their team? On this episode of Build a Better Agency, we’re joined by CRM and sales expert Eric Stockton, VP of Demand Generation at SharpSpring. Eric gives us a behind-the-scenes look at the industry-wide shift in focus from outbound marketing to inbound lead generation. We talk about what this means for agencies and how we can help our clients adjust to a “quality over quantity” mindset — without freaking them out. Eric is a past keynote speaker at a series of marketing-related trade shows, including MarketingSherpa events, eCommerce Retail Executive Summit, Email Summit, B2B Demand Generation Summit, ContentBiz, MarketingExperiements virtual events, and Affiliate Summit. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Why the industry is shifting its focus from outbound to inbound leads — and what that means for agencies How to help our clients make that shift without freaking out Why focusing on quality over quantity does NOT mean you’ll be getting fewer leads What Eric means when he tells his clients to focus on their “North Star” metrics Whether or not the “quality game” is truly sustainable Ways we as agency partners can help clients divorce themselves from metrics they don’t — or shouldn’t — care about

Apr 18, 2022 • 56min
EP 341: Aligning worldviews in agency relationships with Karley Cunningham
How does your agency show up in the world? As agency owners, we have a responsibility to know what’s going on — with our business, our employees, and our clients. There’s a lot going on in the world, and understanding how these things affect the worldviews of others in our space is the first step in deepening our agency relationships, elevating our business, and making sure we go beyond the “one-word” values our industry seems to be riddled with. In this episode of Build a Better Agency, Karley Cunningham of Big Bold Brand joins me to talk about ways agencies can actually implement their mission, vision, and values into their processes in order to leverage them as strategic branding tools. She also offers expert insights into identifying the worldviews of the audiences who matter most to you, knowing when to take a stance on the important issues, and what to do when your worldviews no longer align with those of your clients. Brand Strategist and Business Growth Accelerator Karley Cunningham takes businesses from overcrowded, competitive spaces out into blue ocean territory where they can confidently stand out and thrive as brand leaders in their sector. Having built three successful businesses, Karley knows what it takes to start, develop and lead a company that delivers results. Her entrepreneurial success story is featured in the awarded book: The Widest Net by Pamela Slim. In addition, she’s a sought-after mentor and speaker for national and international business organizations and the host of The Made Possible Podcast. Believing deeply in the practice of givers gain, she is well-known and networked and rarely goes a day without making a referral or connection. As a former pro athlete, Karley is performance-driven. An avid mountain athlete, she is a two-time finisher of the BC Bike Race, a seven-day, 325 km mountain bike stage race, and is always looking out for her next trail running adventure. When not focusing on the business or expanding her network, she can be found somewhere in the mountains of the Pacific Northwest with her wife and dog in their 4×4. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: How to proactively influence the way your agency shows up in the world Why it’s important to understand our client’s worldviews, how they align with our own, and what that means for our business Ways to implement your mission, vision, and values as strategic branding tools How to accelerate your business, improve employee retention, and deepen client relationships by taking your mission, vision, and values “off of the page” When it’s important to take a stance on important issues, and how to start those conversions with clients What your consumers want to know about where you stand How to identify and align the worldviews of the audiences who matter most to you

Apr 11, 2022 • 46min
EP 340: When can agency owners sell? with Drew McLellan
Drew McLellan, agency owner and guest speaker, talks about the right time to sell agency services for prospects, existing clients, and former clients. He discusses how agency owners can accelerate the sales process, provide value to prospects, and use their positions of authority to crush their business development goals. The podcast also highlights the importance of running a profitable agency, upcoming conference highlights, building trust with prospects, strategies for accelerating the sales process, and sustaining agency growth through new opportunities.

Apr 4, 2022 • 52min
EP 339: Selling agency relationships in a virtual world with Tom Martin
Running an agency in a post-COVID world means growing more and more comfortable operating in a virtual environment. This collective shift in our industry has been happening for a while, but after navigating a global pandemic, agency owners have had to pivot more rapidly than in the past. As a result, agency owners are left wondering how they can genuinely connect with their prospects and invest in those relationships when the human aspect of interaction has shifted to a digital one. In this episode of Build a Better Agency, I talk with encore guest, Tom Martin. Tom is the Founder and CEO of Converse Digital, and he knows a thing or two about the collective shift into the digital world – a shift that isn’t going to reverse anytime soon. Tom and I discuss how sales strategies, pitches, and the dynamics of client interactions have been influenced by this digital shift. You’ll probably be just as relieved as I was to hear Tom share why that shift, while uncomfortable for many of us, is actually a GOOD thing for agencies. We also delve into the importance of strategically creating your prospect lists and how you and your pitch teams can use social media, the internet, and other digital environments our clients rely on to your agency’s advantage. Tom gives expert advice on successfully attracting, building, and effectively selling agency relationships in a virtual world. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: What sales, prospecting, and effective agency relationships look like in a post-COVID world How Tom went from being “unemployable” to owning his own agency Why Tom emphasizes the importance of strategically attracting your prospects What it means for your pitch teams to “do their homework” — and why it’s usually the key to winning a sale How sales strategies and client relationships have adapted to an increasingly digital environment Why Tom believes that your prospects list is ultimately worthless if it’s impersonal How investing the time in getting to know your prospects will place you leaps and bounds over your competitors What it means to be a “conversation catalyst,” and how you and your pitch teams can use what Tom calls “social reconnaissance” to offer more value to your prospects Why the industry-wide shift to virtual sales and virtual relationships is actually a GOOD thing for agencies

Mar 28, 2022 • 45min
EP 338: The necessary evil in your agency operations with Nathan Maxwell
Time sheets. Taxes. Annual reviews. There are some things we don’t love as agency owners and leaders. Cybersecurity and compliance are absolutely on that list. But much like taxes, it’s a necessary evil today. The risks are too great, and the reality is – our clients are going to demand it. We’re far better off to get out ahead of it before we’re asked. Even my guest, Nathan Maxwell, refers to cybersecurity and compliance as “necessary evils.” But, as the CEO of CCITeam, Nathan also knows better than anyone that in a world filled with data breaches, security risks, and unpredictable online attacks, avoidance simply isn’t an option. Nathan isn’t one to sugarcoat the daunting realities of implementing solid defenses, navigating cyber insurance options, or tending to the growing list of compliance concerns we’re all getting from our clients. But during our conversation, he reminds us that those processes, while painstaking at times, are never insurmountable. In fact, when we take the time to do these things the right way, our efforts won’t just make our companies safer — they’ll make them better. Founded in 1995, CCITeam (formerly Communication Concepts, Inc.) is a full-service cyber security, compliance, and IT firm, headquartered in the US heartland. President and CEO, Nathan Maxwell saw an important unmet need for a quality IT and cyber security provider that treated their clients more like family, rather than just a ‘number’. With over twenty years of experience in enterprise-level corporations, Nathan founded CCITeam with four core principles; care, ownership, sharing knowledge, and loyalty. Each of these principles is what makes CCI one of the most trusted managed IT and security providers in the region. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: What effective cybersecurity looks like for agency operations — and why you should care The risks every business should be aware of (yes, small agencies too) How cybersecurity and compliance are the same, and also very different Why your policies need to match your practices and how to make sure they do How your employees can either strengthen your cyber defense…or be its greatest weakness What to do to protect your business from big risks — including the ones lurking in your inbox When to start shopping for cyber insurance and how to know how much you need The ROI for agencies who “do all of this right”

Mar 21, 2022 • 44min
EP 337: Helping agency owners sell the way people buy, with David Priemer
As agency owners, we tend to view sales as a necessary evil. Even when we love what we do, believe in how we do it, and have proof that we do it well, having to put on our “sales hats” can still feel, well, gross. But…maybe we’re going about getting those sales in the wrong way. Nobody likes sales…except for David Priemer. David loves sales. In fact, he loves sales so much that he opted to leave his non-sales background to deconstruct the traditional sales approach and develop his own methodology based on consumer science, research, and psychology. David has built a wildly successful career around his methodology: Cerebral Selling. And lucky for us, he uses it to help other business owners revamp and rethink their sales process to make it more efficient, effective, and most importantly, more human. I’m so excited to share our conversation with you so that you can start loving sales too — even if you hate selling. As the Founder and Chief Sales Scientist of Cerebral Selling, David’s unique science and empathy-based approaches to driving revenue and talent growth have been published in the Harvard Business Review as well as Forbes, Entrepreneur, and Inc. magazines. Often referred to as the “Sales Professor,” David is also the author of the Bestselling book, Sell The Way You Buy, and an Adjunct Lecturer at the Smith School of Business at Queen’s University and the London Business School. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: How to sell your business even if you absolutely hate sales What it means to “sell the way you buy” The biggest mistakes agency owners make when trying to sell their business How giving people the opportunity to say “no” can win you more “yesses” Why your CTAs might be scaring your customers away — and how to fix them The one thing that customers buy 100% of the time (yes, 100%) Why your sales pitches should be focused on problems, not solutions How taking the pressure to sell off of yourself will take the pressure off of your customers too — and why that’s a good thing for both of you