Build a Better Agency Podcast

This week, I'm using this episode to talk about some questions I get asked a lot, and that is what we offer in AMI memberships. Many of you want to know what our different tiers of memberships include and what other services we offer. If you're curious about AMI and our membership offerings, this episode is for you. I will break down what we offer for agency owners and leaders and how you can get involved in the AMI community if you feel compelled to do so. We have a ton of different ways to become a community member, get consulting and one-on-one coaching, access our peer networks, and even get help with succession work. Our goal is always to help small to mid-size agencies reach their goals and get access to the best network possible. You're never too small or far away from us to participate, so if you're feeling compelled to join the community in some way, I'm giving you all the details here today. For 30+ years, Drew McLellan has been in the advertising industry. He started his career at Y&R, worked in boutique-sized agencies, and then started his own (which he still owns and runs) agency in 1995. Additionally, Drew owns and leads the Agency Management Institute, which advises hundreds of small to mid-sized agencies on how to grow their agency and its profitability through agency owner peer groups, consulting, coaching, workshops and more. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: The free resources we always offer agency owners and leaders Our workshops, both online and in-person Online and onsite consulting with experienced business leaders Creating a network of agency leaders with Peer Networks and Virtual Peer Groups How we can help in succession planning and coaching new buyers to acquire an agency The BABA Summit How to get involved if you can't travel or just want some content from us The members-only perks as an add-on to our free content

You need innovative ideas to stand out and be ahead of the curve. We often get caught up in the chaos of day-to-day agency operations and retreat into the comfort zone of doing things the same way we've always done them. Today, we're talking you out of that way of thinking and giving you an entirely different framework for approaching client projects. Stan Phelps, an author and keynote speaker with prior agency experience, has a whole new way of thinking about client projects and asking the right questions to build out innovative ideas that will keep clients coming back to you for more. When we make the time, space, and budget to allow our teams to think outside of the box and take more creative risks, we make space for better, more trusting clients who know you'll hit a home run for them every time. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Creating innovation through action and insights Why we need to be incentivizing our teams and clients to think outside the box The IDEA Framework for mapping out innovative ideas Sometimes it's about learning what our clients don't value Using attribute and journey mapping to learn about customers and how they interact with us How to start asking your clients the big questions that lead to big ideas What to internally evaluate before taking your ideas to a client How to infuse innovation into agency operations as an agency leader

Think about some of your favorite brands for just a moment. What aspects of those brands make you feel the most connected to them? Do you ever find yourself talking to your friends or family about a company you love so much because of what they stand for or how they connect with people? Enter community building as a marketing strategy — the next big thing in brand marketing, according to Mark Schaefer. This week, he will teach us why brands need to hop on this trend as quickly as possible and how agencies can join in on the fun, too. As business leaders, the best way to reach our audience is to turn that audience into a community and connect with the people who are your biggest advocates. In this episode, we'll talk about the role of creating emotional connections to your brand, the difference between an audience and a community, how agencies can become leaders in community building for brands, and so much more. Mark will leave you thinking about how your agency can evolve into a thriving community while growing your brand organically. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Mark's inspiration for writing his book on the next big brand marketing strategies The 3 trends that came together to bring community building to the forefront of brand marketing The importance of having an emotional connection with your community The major difference between audience and community How can agencies begin helping brands with community building? Nurturing organic advocacy for your brand Perfecting community building in both online and face-to-face interactions Some pitfalls to avoid when beginning to dabble in community building Can/should agencies create their own communities?

There's no denying that when the pandemic hit, the workforce changed forever. We experienced some of the most rapid shifts in our economy and lifestyles this century, and we still feel its effects today. Most notably, our work standards morphed along with how we view leadership and hustle culture. The old ways of working longer hours and devoting yourself to a company to climb your way to the top have dissolved. This week, Heather McGowan is joining me to talk about the major shifts we've recently experienced and will shed some light on how agency owners can adapt to better fit the new roles employees expect leadership to fill. She'll talk about "The Five Greats" that led to these intense shifts, and four leadership adaptations agency owners should consider making to support the new-age workforce best. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: How Heather accidentally became an expert in human work culture "The Five Greats" that collided all at once to shift the workforce How to change the mindset around hustle culture and where it still has its place Four shifts an agency owner needs to make to align themselves with the current workforce Moving from competition to collaboration to motivate your workforce Polling your workers and being open to feedback as you make changes How agencies are successfully building a remote culture What are the new standards of effective leadership today?

If you're tired of assessing your agency's project values based on an average hourly rate and having your team constantly updating timesheets, you'll want to take some notes on this episode. Today's topic is all about restructuring pricing models to focus more on the scope value rather than an average billable hourly rate. Our guest, Jonathan Stark, is a former software developer on a mission to rid the world of hourly billing. He'll teach us to reevaluate the work scopes we're pitching to prospects and customize it so you can focus on their actual needs rather than what they think they need. By using this method, you will not only remove the headache of hourly billing but also have better conversations with prospects, establish yourself as a thought leader, and have the potential to increase your profit exponentially — just by changing this small aspect of your sales and discovery calls. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: How and why Jonathan became so passionate about eliminating hourly billing from his agency structure Why fixed pricing models based on scope value are both easier and more profitable Asking the right questions to get to the bottom of your prospect's actual needs and weed out bad clients Talking about the value of the outcome of the work you're going to do for clients Building proposals with 3 budget options based on a fixed-price value How to engage with a prospect to discover what they need and how to price it out The pros and cons of changing your pricing strategy Productizing some of your services as "off-the-shelf offerings" How to implement this strategy as a smaller agency without too much risk

One of the most common traps we fall into as agency owners is making decisions based on our fears. Every day we have to make hard choices, and it's easy to fall victim to a fear-based narrative when trying to make everyone happy while keeping a business afloat. But fear not — I have some advice for you that will help you see the bigger picture of where you are likely making fear-based decisions for your agency. This week, my goal is to help you identify the most common fear-based business decisions, understand why this happens almost universally, and learn some tricks to rewire our thinking around these decisions. As you listen to this episode, take stock of when you've made decisions out of fear. Fear of losing a good employee, fear of losing money, fear of missing out on a good project or client — and see if you can find a better approach to tackling even just one of these examples. For 30+ years, Drew McLellan has been in the advertising industry. He started his career at Y&R, worked in boutique-sized agencies, and then started his own (which he still owns and runs) agency in 1995. Additionally, Drew owns and leads the Agency Management Institute, which advises hundreds of small to mid-sized agencies on how to grow their agency and its profitability through agency owner peer groups, consulting, coaching, workshops and more. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: The biggest, worst fear-based decision agency owners often make Acknowledging the truths behind our fears and putting action behind them Financial decisions (and mistakes) we make when we're afraid How we hand over control to our clients when we're acting out of fear The vital role of client and employee satisfaction surveys The psychology behind fear-based decisions Why you should step away from a problem and ask for help How to rewire our thinking around decisions and get out of the fear narrative

Entrepreneur and sales leader Corey Quinn shares strategies for agency growth and client retention, emphasizing the power of niching and word-of-mouth connections. He discusses the common mistakes people make when trying to increase sales and the benefits of specializing in specific customers. The podcast also explores the sales process and the importance of setting clients up for success in the SEO industry. Additionally, it highlights the significance of agency owners dedicating a significant amount of time to business development and growth.

Sales — the dreaded word that most of us cringe when we think about it. It brings up thoughts of manipulation, forced conversations, and fear of rejection. It's one of those necessary evils that come with being a business owner that's essential if you want to keep growing. For many of us, we fear hearing the word "no." Once it's out there, we drop the conversation, take the loss, and move on. But if you want to sell effectively AND create a pleasant sales experience for yourself and your prospects, you must rethink your sales strategy. Today, I'm talking with Richard Fenton, a seasoned expert in all things sales prospecting, selling styles, and getting to the other side of the "no." It didn't always come naturally to him, but after a long time in the business, he's learned that an initial rejection can be a huge win later in the sales process. Whether you like sales or not, you have to get better at it to keep new clients coming through the door. So join us to learn how you can rethink your sales process and become a better salesperson, even if it doesn't come naturally. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Richard's "aha" moment that made him rethink sales forever Why "no" isn't the end of the sales process The four types of salespeople and the one we should all strive to be The intersection of caring about relationships and caring about results Why you need to ask better questions in the sale process Getting a prospect to know, like, and trust you Staying in touch even after an initial rejection The reason sales has gained such a bad reputation How to sell without being manipulative or shark-like

It's no secret the job market has shifted immensely over the past 3–4 years. One minute, we're hitting the brakes and halting all new hires. The next, we're kicking things back into gear and going through a hiring frenzy with inflated salaries. And now, we're entering a recession but still need to hire top talent at an affordable price. How do we keep up? This week, I'm talking with Art Boulay and Sue MacArthur, two experts in talent management and agency staffing. They created a perfect formula for assessing potential new hires' strengths, weaknesses, and full-on red flags that could save you a lot of time before even starting an interview. This episode is packed with information about how agencies can optimize their hiring in a job market where you only have a few days — rather than a few weeks — to decide on a candidate. I hope you grab a pen and paper and take some notes on this one because this could change your entire approach to hiring new team members. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: How hiring has changed rapidly in the past 3–4 years What agencies should have in place before they begin looking for a candidate Why you need to try your best to lock in a new hire in under a week Don't be afraid to make a candidate sweat a little Why trying too hard to sell your agency to a candidate could lose you a great hire Identifying yellow and red flags for in-office, hybrid, or remote positions How to handle and possibly prevent a bad Glassdoor review if you encounter one Pay attention to the little things — body language, demeanor, and even their background in the Zoom call The most critical things to consider to get the right candidate to accept your job offer

One of the biggest sticking points with agencies is establishing tried and true onboarding and training SOPs. Over and over, we find that new hires aren't pleased with how their onboarding process went, despite agencies and larger companies investing billions into this one area. Poor training and onboarding experiences can result in disaster and influence how long your new hire will want to stick around after the fact. It can be even more challenging for remote agencies to establish cohesion in SOPs when a team is remote or hybrid. That's why it's essential to have well-established training SOPs that are easy to follow and help your new hires understand their purpose within your agency. In this episode, I'm interviewing Jennifer Smith from Scribe to teach us how to make SOPs that are quick, painless, transferable, and digestible. She knows what remote teams need to get everyone on the same page quickly, and she has a lot of knowledge on how to make that happen. Tune in to listen and learn great ideas from Jennifer to make a typically painful process seamless and much more organized. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: The importance of having tribal knowledge in an agency Where agencies often fail to have proper documentation Establishing the why, the who, and the how of your agency to new hires Creating proper SOP documentation to onboard new team members Where agencies can improve on building a remote team How to demonstrate skills and tasks to new hires with training SOPs How to make SOPs and documentation pain-free and easy to share amongst your team