The Debrief with Jon Becker

My guest today is a legend in the US tactical community Chief Phil Hansen.  Phil recently retired after serving as the Chief of Police for the Santa Maria California Police Department.  But prior to Santa Maria Phil retired as a Captain from the Los Angeles Country Sherriff’s Department where he served for 36 years.  During his tenure at LASD he spent more than 24 years in full time tactical and emergency management positions, including nearly 20 years at the elite Special Enforcement Bureau (SEB). Phil has served as a board member of the National Tactical Officers Association since 1991 including serving as the Chairman of the Board. He is a member of the executive committee for the California POST SWAT guidelines, and has served as a board of inquiry member for LAPD and Oakland PD.  Timestamps01:45 – Early Career and Start at LASD04:30 – Arrival at SEB06:00 – Evolution of Dynamic Entry & The War on Drugs11:15 – The Menu of Options for Narcotics Warrants 19:00 – Unit Culture, Constant Development, & Selection25:15 – John Kolman and The Origins of the NTOA35:00 – Development of California SWAT Standards. NTOA National Standards & Current Legal Attacks on SWAT51:30 – The Need for Effective Downward Information Flow and Information Sharing59:00 – Phil’s Time at Emergency Operations Bureau1:02:00 – Navigating Career Adversity1:08:00 – Santa Maria PD Career1:10:00 – Modern Issues in Special Tactics – Interagency Relationships 1:22:00 – Justifications & Reasons for Special Tactics Teams1:30:00 – Rapid Fire QuestionsContact Info Cell # (805) 994-9051Email: pchansen@live.comBooks RecommendedContrarians Guide to Leadership - Steven B. Sample and Warren Bennis – ISBN: 978-0787967079Going Pro, The Deliberate Practice of Professionalism - Tony Kern, Pygmy Books Publishing – ISBN: 978-0984206315Leading Change: The Argument for Values-Based Leadership – James O’Toole – ISBN: 978-0345402547Passion of Command: The Moral Imperative of Leadership – Col. Bryan McCoy – ISBN: 978-0940328372

DescriptionOn November 13, 2015, Paris experienced a series of coordinated Islamist terrorist attacks. These attacks took placeover three separate areas of the city and were carried out by multiple teams of attackers. Almost four hours after theybegan the events ended with a dramatic and successful hostage rescue that will be the topic for today’s discussion.This episode of the debrief will have a slightly different format. My guest today is an active member of France’s eliteBrigade for Research and Intervention or BRI. Because of the nature of his current assignment and the nature of theirwork, it is critical that we maintain his anonymity. As a result, we will not be showing this episode on video or using ourguest’s real name.Timestamps2:00 – Policing in France – Structure and agencies5:15 – Origins, History, and Mission of BRI11:15 – Overview of the November 13 attacks on Paris12:52 – Location 1 - Stadt D’ France suicide bombers16:30 – Location 2 – Café and bar attacks in 10th arrondissement19:30 – BRI activation and staging22:35 – Location 3 – Bataclan theater attack begins27:45 – Street police arrival and entry31:30 – BRI arrival on scene and initial entry39:50 – First engagement with terrorists46:09 – Negotiations50:00 – Description of the HRT area52:30 – Assault1:05:00 – Clearing remainder of corridor1:09:00 – Effects of the event on team1:21:30 – Lessons learned from the Bataclan HRTLinksNetflix special on the Paris Attacks: Watch November 13: Attack on Paris | Netflix Official SiteTimeline and overview by France24 - Paris attacks: The investigation continues (france24.com)HSAC whitepaper on events - hsac-paris-lessons-learned_whitepaper.pdf (pepperdine.edu)

DescriptionKevin Cyr is an Inspector with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and is the current commander of the RCMP Emergency Response Team in British Columbia, which is the second largest tactical unit in Canada. Kevin has been with the RCMP for 22 years and has been with the team for 7 years. He has a master’s in law from Osgoode Hall Law School and is published internationally in law and criminology journals. He also teaches incident command at the Canadian Police College.  Timestamps1:00 - His personal history and career path2:25 – Structure and functioning of the RCMP5:45 – Advantages and disadvantages of the Canadian policing model7:30 – Origins of RCMP SERT and ERT teams13:00 – The role of modern tactical teams14:30 – 2010 Olympics and ERTs transition to full-time teams17:15 – Current ERT team configuration21:00 – Decision-making and the trap of risk mitigation27:00 – Understanding the difference between cheap and expensive and effective and efficient in preparation33:15 – Weighing when to spend money vs. improving skills – understanding requirements38:00 – Tactical decision-making & analysis paralysis42:00 – Militarization of law enforcement45:45 – How overly aggressive law and policy can lead to tactical indecisiveness50:15 – How the standards we hold police to are unreasonable55:00 – How the origin stories for SWAT are complicating modern tactical response57:00 – Delegation of authority and decision making1:01:00 – Who should make tactical decisions?1:03:00 – How we should be training our future tactical leaders 1:09:45 – Rapid fire questions Contact Info: Kevin Cyr - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-cyr-ll-m-b78206133 Books Recommended:  Extreme Ownership - Jocko Willink and Leif Babin – ISBN# 250067057

DescriptionMy guest today Is Buddy Brown. Buddy works for the York County Sherriff’s Office in South Carolina. Buddy has worked patrol, narcotics and training and spent more than 18 years on the York County regional SWAT team. On January 16, 2018, York County responded to a domestic violence call that led a suspect on the run in the woods behind a residential area. By the time the night was over Det. Mike Doty would be murdered by the suspect and three other members of the agency would be shot and seriously wounded, including Buddy. In this Critical Incident Review Buddy will take us through the timeline and events of the night as well as discuss their lessons learned and his recovery from catastrophic injuries.Timestamps2:20 - His history and career path3:20  – Configuration of York County Sheriff’s Office Agency and the SWAT team5:10 – Initial call for service and search for suspect9:00 – Ambush of dog team and Shooting of K9 Sgt. Randy Clinton15:40 – Initial SWAT response and search24:15 – Response to 1475 Paraham Road30:45 – Ambush of team by suspects and shooting of three team members35:20 – Shooting stops and suspect surrenders39:10 – Initial medical response for injured operators45:40 – Buddy’s Injuries47:30 – Arrest of suspect56:30 – Initial effects on the families58:50 – Arrival at the hospital & treatment1:03:00 – Buddy’s recovery1:05:45 – Personal lessons learned1:08:00 – Team lessons learned1:18:50 – Aftermath and healing from the trauma of the event Important LinksYork County SO Documentary – The Many Heroes: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLK7N8kvFjVfs8fzsyDgmTg6ZtbN2UpXPG  Contact Info: Phone 803-230-2106Email Buddy.brown@yorkcountygov.comBook Recommendations: Dave Grossman - On Killing – ISBN 978-0316040938Dave Grossman - On Combat – ISBN 978-0964920545Paul Howe - Leadership and Training for the Fight – ISBN 978-1420889505Jocko Willink - Discipline Equals Freedom – ISBN 978-1250156945

DescriptionMy guest today is Kris Allshouse.  Kris is the Executive Director of The Regional Training Center (formerly LA County Regional Training Center), a nonprofit organization that provides advanced training to Federal, State and Local Law Enforcement and other first responders as well as military units and international agencies.  Kris is a former tactical operator for a large Southern California agency with extensive operational experience.  Under his guidance, RTC/LACRTC has emerged as one of the top thought leaders and training providers for tactical use of Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems (sUAS) in the world.Timestamps1:00 - His Career Path2:50 – The Evolution of sUAS for law enforcement4:30 – Categories and types of sUAS and their missions7:25 – Tactical Use of sUAS & Deescalation11:15 – Crowd and Riot Control 13:00 – Drones and Robots and the new non-dynamic entry approach16:34 – Regulatory challenges to sUAS22:00 – Privacy rights, the Constitution and sUAS26:15 – The 4th Amendment Consequences of sUAS27:03 – Weaponizing drones29:30 – The terrorism threat posed by sUAS32:30 –Concerns that we are building a dystopian future with sUAS Books RecommendedSound Doctrine – Charles Sid Heal – ISBN 9781930051119Seven Habits of Highly Effective People - Stephen Covey - 9780671708634 Contact InfoKris Allshousekallshouse@thertc.org17595 Mt Herrmann St.Fountain Valley, CA 92708Main Office: (888) 782-4969Direct: (760) 990-1441Cell: (816) 721-8440

Description My guest today is Dana Vilander.  Dana spent 32 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department with 26 of those years spent with the elite Special Enforcement Bureau (SEB).  In his time at SEB, Dana worked as a K-9, a SWAT operator, and spent 18 years as a tactical paramedic, diver, crew chief, and hoist operator with the Emergency Services Detail.  Because of his extensive and unique experience, Dana has taught TEMS/TCCC/tactical medicine, vertical access, ropes, and rural operations to elite tactical units all over the world. Timestamps 1:31 – Dana’s Career Path 5:25 – LASD SEB - Emergency Services Detail 10:35 – The History of TEMS/TCCC 13:20 – The Military Research That Gave Rise to TCCC 18:12 – The Origins of Tourniquet Use 22:01 – Law Enforcement’s Beginnings with TCCC 24:20 – How to Build and Maintain a TCCC Capability 29:00 – IFAK Configuration 32:06 – Controlling Massive Hemorrhaging 37:34 – Team Based Medical Supplies & Mass Casualty Bags 41:00 – Making TCCC Training Realistic 44:35 – The Beginnings of Tactical Ropes Work 47:50 – Using Cadres to Maintain Domains of Knowledge 49:05 – Why Teams Need a Tactical Ropes Program 52:00 – Dana’s Gear Recommendations for Teams Books Recommended Leadership and Training for the Fight – Paul R Howe – ISBN 978-1420889505 About Face: The Odyssey of an American Warrior -  Colonel David H. Hackworth and Julie Sherman – ISBN 978-0671695347 Ranger Dawn: The American Ranger from the Colonial Era to the Mexican War – Robert W. Black – ISBN 9780811736008 Contact Info Dana Vilander - dana@vtctraining.com www.vtctraining.com 562-896-6884 

DescriptionMy guest today is Chief John Perez.  John recently retired as the Chief of Police for the Pasadena California Police Department. In his nearly 37 years of service to Pasadena, John served at literally all ranks in the department.  During his career, John worked patrol, narcotics, counter-terrorism, and as a SWAT sergeant, lieutenant, and commander, John helped to form the first generation of Pasadena’s tactical team which had the challenge of deploying as a full-time gang enforcement team and a SWAT team for many years.  John was twice awarded the Chief’s medal of excellence and received several commendations for his service over the years.  Timestamps1:00 – His childhood and upbringing2:35 – How the murder of his 14-year-old cousin drove his desire to be a policeman4:41 – The beginning of his career and training6:20 – The crimewaves of the 80s and 90s and police response10:00 - How the Rampart scandal and war on drugs negatively impacted policing13:12 – The origins of Pasadena PD SES (SWAT)15:07 – 9/11 and the profound effects it had on Pasadena PD19:20 – Securing the Rose Parade and Rose Bowl22:45 – The impact of 9/11 on the Rose Parade and Rose Bowl25:55 – Returning to SES as the unit Lieutenant 29:50 – Promoting out of SES to Commander34:00 – Synthesizing being a “meat eater” with the politics of command37:15 – How education changes your understanding and beliefs39:15 – How losing teaches you more than winning41:35 – Authentic leadership45:30 – Responding to Occupy Pasadena54:35 – Leading from your principles in a conflicted environment1:02:00 – Balancing the tension between lawful protest & protecting the city1:04:15 – The need to be a student of the profession1:06:05 – Self-examination and learning from your critics1:09:35 – How a near-death experience reshaped his views1:18:00 – Rapid Fire QuestionsBooks Recommended12 Rules for Life: An Antidote for Chaos – Jordan Peterson – ISBN 0345816021Discover Your True North – Bill George – ISBN 0787987514Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win - Jocko Willink and Leif Babin - ISBN 1250067057Man’s Search for Meaning – Viktor Frankl - ISBN 080701429XQuiet Strength: The Principles, Practices, and Priorities of a Winning Life – Tony Dungy – ISBN 1414318022 Contact InfoChief John Perez (Ret) johnperez34@me.com 

Description My Guests Today are the creators of the California Association of Tactical Officers (CATO) Decision Making Exercise Program (DME), Capt. Toby Darby and Lt. Josh Wofford.  Toby is a 27-year veteran of law enforcement with 20 years spent in tactical units. Toby is a Board Member for the California Association of Tactical Officers and one of the facilitators of the CATO Strategic Leadership Program (SLP).  Lt. Josh Wofford is an 18-year veteran of law enforcement and current SWAT team leader. Josh has a Doctorate in Education from Vanderbilt University and is a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Timestamps 1:02 – Their Backgrounds 2:35 – Origin Stories for the CATO Decision Making Exercises (DME) 5:45 – Anatomy of a DME - How DME’s work 8:25 – Group Structure for DMEs 12:15 – The Science Behind DMEs 15:05 – Using DMEs to Share and Retain Corporate/Agency Knowledge 18:35 – Situational Learning Theory 21:45 – Group Composition 23:55 – Challenging Confirmation Bias in Decision Making 26:30 – Using DMEs to Broaden Perspective 32:10 – Understanding “The Why” in Decision Making 35:30 – Commander’s Intent and Leadership Thinking 37:10 – Facilitating a DME – Choosing an Event 41:06 – Using DME to Stress Test Your Team 44:10 – Facilitating a DME - Roles and Responsibilities 48:44 – How DMEs Affect Culture 51:49 – Building Trust Through DMEs 55:16 – The Need for Critical Thinking in Organizational Leadership 59:50 – Using Close Calls and Body Worn Camera Footage to Create Proactive DMEs   Books Recommended  Swans, Swine, and Swindlers: Coping with the Growing Threat of Mega-Crises and Mega-Messes, Can M Alpaslan and Ian I. Mitroff – ISBN:  9780804771375 The Bass Handbook of Leadership: Theory, Research & Managerial Applications, Bernard M. Bass – ISBN: 7770957532 Thinking Collaboratively: Learning in a Community of Inquiry, D. Randy Garrison – ISBN: 9781138824317 The Checklist Manifesto: How To Get Things Right, Atul Gawande – ISBN: 9780805091748 The Laws of Human Nature, Robert Greene – ISBN: 9780525428145 Thinking Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman – ISBN: 9780374275631 Legacy: 15 Lessons in Leadership, James Kerr – ISBN: 9781472103536 The 80/20 Principle: The Secret to Achieving More With Less, Richard Koch – ISBN: 9780385491747 Situated Learning: Legitimate Peripheral Participation, Jean Lave and Etienne Wenger – ISBN: 9780521423748 Adult Learning: Linking Theory and Practice, Sharan B. Merriam and Laura L. Bierema – ISBN: 9781118416310 Six Simple Rules: How To Manage Complexity Without Getting Complicated, Yves Morieux and Peter Tollman – ISBN: 9781422190555 An Introduction to Theories of Learning, Matthew H. Olson and B.R. Hergenhahn – ISBN: 9780131147225 Leadership BS: Fixing Workplaces and Careers One Truth At A Time, Jeffrey Pfeffer – ISBN: 9780062383167 Managing the Unexpected: Sustained Performance In A Complex World, Karl E. Weick and Kathleen M. Sutcliffe – ISBN: 9780787996499  Contact Info Capt. Toby Darby tdarby@catotraining.org Lt. Josh Wofford jwofford@catotraining.org 

DescriptionMy Guest Today is Mike Hillman. Mike is a legend in the tactical community with a list of career accomplishments that would take an entire podcast of their own. But as a brief bio he was one of the original founders of LAPD SWAT, a Deputy Chief at LAPD, the Assistant Sheriff in Orange County California and a Chief of Police for the Los Angeles Port Police. He was one of the founders of the National Tactical Officers Association, headed security for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and is a nationally recognized expert on leadership, crisis management, critical incident management, special operations and a wide variety of other subjects.Timestamps2:09 – Objectives of an Effective Leader4:05 – The Need for Introspection6:38 – Having a Core Guiding Principle8:05 – The Roots of Decisiveness 10:00 – Selfless Approaches to Leadership11:40 – Leadership in Crisis15:01 – The Willingness to Change Your Mind 18:04 – Characteristics of Good Leaders19:30 – Humility and Change Leadership22:13 – Making Cultural Changes26:11 – Leading in The Modern Environment28:15 – Selection Process and Picking the Right People31:45 – Policing in the Current Social Environment34:30 – The Constitution v. Our Safety37:15 – Differentiating Between the Need For Training And Discipline40:30 – Actions, Intent and The Media 43:30 – Social Media And Law Enforcement46:38 – Militarization of Law Enforcement51:19 – Proactivity: Intervening Early or Creating a Problem52:30 – Bad Tactics or Bad Technology 54:45 – Defining SWAT and Their Mission Set58:03 – How Do Small Agencies Avoid Issues with Their SWAT Team1:01:00 – Requirements v. Equipment Understanding Your Needs1:04:45 – Rapid Fire QuestionsBooks RecommendedLeft of Bang: How the Marine Corps' Combat Hunter Program Can Save Your Life by Patrick Van Horne, Jason Riley, Shawn Coyne - ISBN 1936891301Contact InfoMike Hillmanmrhntoa@aol.com

DescriptionMy Guest Today is Mike Hillman. Mike is a legend in the tactical community with a list of career accomplishments that would take an entire podcast of their own. But as a brief bio he was one of the original founders of LAPD SWAT, a Deputy Chief at LAPD, the Assistant Sheriff in Orange County California and a Chief of Police for the Los Angeles Port Police. He was one of the founders of the National Tactical Officers Association, headed security for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and is a nationally recognized expert on leadership, crisis management, critical incident management, special operations and a wide variety of other subjects.Timestamps1:45 – Mike’s Background4:05 – The beginnings of LAPD D Platoon (SWAT)5:35 – Defining Events – International Terrorism, Homegrown Terrorist, & the 1970s11:12 – The Origins of Crisis Negotiation & LAPDs Approach17:19 – Development of Hostage Negotiation Tactics22:20 – 1984 Summer Olympics & Development of SWAT31:02 – The Evolution of Flashbangs  33:54 – Developing Bus Assaults Tactics37:22 – Intelligence Gathering, Pre-scouting, and DARPA Surrogate Travel 40:45 – Hanafi Muslim Incident Effect on Tactics (Fast Roping & Aerial Platform)43:19 – Founding of the National Tactical Officers Association (NTOA)45:14 – The Rock House Epidemic in LA & Origins of Armored Vehicles47:30 – Law Enforcement & the Military (Demilitarization?)51:22 – The 1980s and the NTOA55:10 – Being a Student of the Game – The Need for Research & Study58:12 – What Makes a Good SWAT Operator Books RecommendedLeft of Bang: How the Marine Corps' Combat Hunter Program Can Save Your Life by Patrick Van Horne, Jason Riley, Shawn Coyne -  ISBN 1936891301 Contact InfoMike HillmannMrhntoa@aol.com