
Kibbe on Liberty
Kibbe on Liberty is a weekly podcast with libertarian author and economist, Matt Kibbe. Kibbe believes that honest conversations, driven by intellectual curiosity and mutual respect, can ignite a new revolution of free thinking and a willingness to question the official narrative. That means talking, and listening, to a wide variety of people outside the echo chamber of officially sanctioned experts. Kibbe on Liberty's guests include politicians, economists, musicians, comedians, writers, radio personalities, activists, journalists, and even magicians—with topics of conversation ranging from current affairs to obscure philosophy, from craft beer to the Grateful Dead. Cold one in hand, settle in for the next brain-stimulating hour of Kibbe on Liberty.As the president of Free the People, Kibbe has decades of experience in the libertarian political sphere. He is the author of three books, including Don’t Hurt People and Don’t Take Their Stuff, a #2 NY Times Best Seller. Kibbe is a fanatical DeadHead, drinker of great whisky, and collector of obscure books on Austrian economics.
Latest episodes

Jul 9, 2025 • 30min
Ep 340 | She Fought for Her Son's Freedom and Won | Guest: Lyn Ulbricht
Many people receive unjust sentences in federal prisons, but few have the kind of mother who will devote more than a decade of constant activism to get them released. When Ross Ulbricht was given two life sentences for founding an encrypted marketplace called the Silk Road, his mother, Lyn, founded FreeRoss.org, bringing his case to the attention of the liberty movement, the crypto movement, and eventually President Trump, who offered Ross a full pardon on his second day in office. Now, Ross is free and speaking out about the secret horrors that go on inside prison walls. Instead of taking a well-earned break, Lyn has started Mothers Against Cruel Sentencing to advocate on behalf of others given cruel and unusual prison terms.
To find out more about MACS or to help, visit: https://mothersagainstcruelsentencing.org

Jul 2, 2025 • 30min
Ep 339 | Steve Forbes Grades Trump's First Four Months | Guest: Steve Forbes
At this year's FreedomFest in Palm Springs, Matt Kibbe caught up with legendary economic maven and former presidential candidate Steve Forbes to find out how President Trump is doing so far in terms of economic policy. They discuss the error of increasing tariffs on America's trading partners, the problems with Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill Act, and potential ideas for reforming the country's badly broken health care system. Toward the end of the conversation, Forbes offers his advice to the president on what he is doing right, what he could be doing better, and a few things he might not have thought of to unleash the power of the American economy once more.

Jun 30, 2025 • 20min
Bonus Episode | Libertarians Need to Have More Fun | Guest: Michael Malice
At this year's FreedomFest in Palm Springs, Matt Kibbe caught up with noted anarchist and troublemaker Michael Malice for a short conversation about how to persuade people to support less (or even no) government. Along the way, they discuss the philosophy of Ayn Rand, whether cats are actually blue-pilled, and why libertarians ought to take themselves less seriously and embrace fun and humor in their messaging, even though they face difficult challenges in the realms of politics and public opinion.

Jun 25, 2025 • 1h 1min
Ep 338 | Bombing Iran Puts America Last | Guest: Scott Horton
While Matt Kibbe and the Free the People team were trying to enjoy the company of their fellow libertarians at this year’s Porcupine Freedom Festival, the Trump administration insisted on harshing the vibe by dropping bombs on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Scott Horton, director of the Libertarian Institute, sat down for this episode of “Kibbe on Liberty” to debunk some of the neoconservative claims that are always trotted out to justify American intervention in the Middle East. The same propaganda strategy that was deployed to start the Iraq War is being used again, almost verbatim, to advocate for regime change in Iran. Despite what you may have heard, war is not in America’s best interests and needlessly puts our troops in harm’s way.

Jun 18, 2025 • 1h 40min
Ep 337 | The Deep State Is a Deadly Virus | Guest: Debbie Lerman
The government’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic was such a naked power-grab on such an unprecedented scale that even five years later, we are still struggling to hold the responsible parties accountable and to even fully process what happened. One unintended consequence of lockdowns, however, was exposing some ugly truths about who is really in charge in America. Matt Kibbe sits down with Debbie Lerman, author of “The Deep State Goes Viral,” to talk about whether our elected officials actually have the power to change things or whether someone else is pulling the strings. The word democracy means rule by the people, and we like to tell ourselves that our politicians are bound by the consent of the governed. In a post-COVID world, however, it’s becoming less and less apparent whether that remains the case in America.

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Jun 11, 2025 • 1h 5min
Ep 336 | Both Parties Want an Immigration War | Guest: Steven Olikara
In this engaging discussion, Steven Olikara, CEO of Bridge Entertainment Labs and former Democratic Senate candidate, tackles the intricacies of U.S. immigration policy. He argues that both political parties benefit from maintaining the chaos around immigration for campaign leverage. Olikara emphasizes the importance of civil conversations and finding middle ground to combat the 'division industrial complex.' He also critiques the entrenched political system that thrives on polarization, advocating for genuine reform and a more inclusive democratic process.

Jun 6, 2025 • 31min
Ep 335 | Will the Battle Over the 'Big, Beautiful Bill' Break the Beltway’s Babylon? | Guest: Sen. Rand Paul
The fight over President Trump’s "big, beautiful bill" is boiling over, shattering the White House alliance with Elon Musk. Join host Matt Kibbe in an exclusive sit-down with Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) as they dissect the bill’s massive new spending and skyrocketing debt — provisions Paul warns could bankrupt America and spark runaway inflation. Plus, Paul reveals his bold plan as chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security to wield new subpoena powers, targeting Anthony Fauci and others who lied to protect the pandemic industrial complex.

May 28, 2025 • 40min
Ep 334 | Big, Beautiful Bill or Bloated Budget Boondoggle? | Guest: Matt Kibbe
As the Republicans in Congress are poised to spend trillions more, while ignoring all of Elon Musk's DOGE recommendations, some members of the administration and Trump loyalists are running defense, attempting to convince voters that their gargantuan reconciliation bill actually puts America first. Matt Kibbe tears this narrative apart, pointing to the hypocrisy of neocons who claim to care about small government while repeatedly voting for more spending to fund endless wars. Drawing on his experience as a budget economist and a Tea Party organizer, he explains that Republicans are setting themselves up for a clobbering in the midterm elections if they fail to enact any of the changes voters demanded in 2024.

May 21, 2025 • 1h
Ep 333 | School Choice Is Making Incredible Progress | Guest: Corey DeAngelis
For libertarians in America, there are plenty of things to be depressed about as Congress fails to cut spending or implement the DOGE’s recommendations. But one area where there is room for optimism is the school choice movement, particularly at the state level. Matt Kibbe talks to Corey DeAngelis, author of “The Parent Revolution,” about the great strides parents are making in taking control of their children’s education. After the pandemic locked down schools, forced students onto Zoom calls, and exposed parents to what is actually happening in the classroom, parents are more energized than ever to break free from the government school system. They are working with their legislatures to keep more of their tax dollars, which can be used to opt for private schooling or homeschooling. Even Trump’s “big, beautiful bill” contains some important school choice provisions that will bring more educational freedom to the country.

May 14, 2025 • 1h 5min
Ep 332 | The Pandemic Is Being Memory Holed | Guest: David Zweig
In the aftermath of most national disasters, such as 9/11, the Iraq War, and even January 6, the media typically spends years writing an endless series of think pieces, autopsies, and analyses of what went wrong and how to prevent it from ever happening again. In the case of the COVID-19 pandemic and the accompanying lockdowns, we’re not seeing the same thing, and in fact most media outlets seem to want to forget the whole thing ever happened, even though it represented the most dramatic curtailing of American civil liberties in living memory. Matt Kibbe talks to David Zweig, author of “An Abundance of Caution: American Schools, the Virus, and a Story of Bad Decisions,” who argues that the media wants to hide its own culpability in pushing for lockdowns and censorship of dissenting ideas. Zweig, who considered himself broadly left-wing before the pandemic, was shocked at the persistent illogic of keeping schools closed in the face of evidence that children faced virtually no risk from the virus, and his ensuing investigation led him to question many of his preconceptions about the state of American journalism.