

The Rules of Investing
Livewire Markets
The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s longest-running business podcasts, providing investors with unparalleled access to the ideas and insights of Australia’s leading fund managers, economists and industry experts. Learn how the industry’s best invest, with the help of Livewire’s James Marlay and Chris Conway. Whether you’re new to investing or a seasoned professional, this podcast is for you. New episodes are released every second Friday, available on Livewire Markets, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube.
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Nov 3, 2025 • 40min
The property assets still trading at a discount as investors chase growth
Property moves in cycles, but real value lies in assets you can’t replace. Quay Global Investors’ Chris Bedingfield joins The Rules of Investing to explain why global REITs are trading at some of the biggest discounts in years, how ageing demographics and construction costs are reshaping real estate, and why patience remains the most underrated edge for investors.
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Oct 29, 2025 • 40min
The five-year test: Lev Margolin’s four-step process for finding structural winners
It’s hard to know what markets will do next week, let alone next year. But what if you could identify companies that will be in a stronger position five years from now?
That’s the approach taken by Lev Margolin, founder of System Capital, a Melbourne-based long/short strategy that’s delivered more than 22% per annum since inception. In this episode of The Rules of Investing, we unpack the four-step framework that guides his process, where he’s finding opportunities in a hot market, and the businesses he believes are quietly building long-term strength.
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Thanks to our Sponsor AlphaSense
This latest episode is brought to you by AlphaSense.
See what AlphaSense can do for your investment research—visit alpha-sense.com/livewire to get started.

Oct 24, 2025 • 34min
Inside the Soul Patts compounding machine
Soul Patts CEO Todd Barlow joins The Rules of Investing to unpack the firm’s merger with Brickworks, why he’s buying at cyclical lows, and how he’s positioning for the future of energy. He also shares why liquidity and humility matter when markets are running hot.
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Thanks to our Sponsor AlphaSense
This latest episode is brought to you by AlphaSense.
See what AlphaSense can do for your investment research—visit alpha-sense.com/livewire to get started.

Oct 17, 2025 • 41min
Magellan's value picks as sentiment soars
Markets are on fire and bubble talk is everywhere. So how should investors respond? In this episode, Magellan’s Arvid Streimann breaks down how to keep emotion out of your decisions, where he’s finding genuine value, and why he still believes in the power of brands and discipline.
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Thanks to our Sponsor AlphaSense
This latest episode is brought to you by AlphaSense.
See what AlphaSense can do for your investment research—visit alpha-sense.com/livewire to get started.

Oct 13, 2025 • 34min
Matthew Kidman: The two best times to make money in markets are coming
In this episode of The Rules of Investing, Centennial’s Matthew Kidman shares his playbook for the late stage of a structural bull market. He explains why valuations don’t matter (for now), how he found his first 10-bagger, and the standout management teams on the ASX. Plus, Kidman reveals why he’s still bullish on markets — and what could eventually bring it all undone.

Oct 10, 2025 • 41min
Warryn Robertson: The secret to owning the world’s best assets
Warryn Robertson has spent two decades investing in the assets that keep the world running — from toll roads to transmission lines and satellites. In this episode, he explains the rules for owning the world’s best assets, why getting the definition right matters, and what investors are getting wrong about markets today.
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Thanks to our Sponsor AlphaSense
This latest episode is brought to you by AlphaSense.
See what AlphaSense can do for your investment research—visit alpha-sense.com/livewire to get started.

Oct 2, 2025 • 31min
A look inside the portfolios of Australia's leading investors - Livewire Live Mini-Series
Two of Australia’s most respected investment firms share how they are positioning for tomorrow. Learn where they see opportunity and how their strategies are evolving. From private credit to gold, discover where Soul Patts’ Todd Barlow and Regal’s Phil King see the biggest returns.
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This series is proudly sponsored by Bell Direct Advantage.
Bell Direct Advantage is a premium trading platform designed for active and sophisticated investors. It provides access to Bell Potter research, exclusive IPOs, and advanced trading tools, all aimed at giving you a competitive edge. Whether you're a frequent trader or a high-net-worth individual looking to trade shares, options, or warrants, Bell Direct Advantage offers a tailored platform and superior service to sharpen your investing edge. [Find out more here]

Oct 1, 2025 • 43min
10 years from now, these are the companies everyone will wish they owned - Livewire Live Mini-Series
From gaming stock to global giant, Nvidia shows how fast the future can arrive. Global stock pickers Josh Cummings, Qiao Ma and Dr David Allen share where they see the next mega caps emerging.
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This series is proudly sponsored by Bell Direct Advantage.
Bell Direct Advantage is a premium trading platform designed for active and sophisticated investors. It provides access to Bell Potter research, exclusive IPOs, and advanced trading tools, all aimed at giving you a competitive edge. Whether you're a frequent trader or a high-net-worth individual looking to trade shares, options, or warrants, Bell Direct Advantage offers a tailored platform and superior service to sharpen your investing edge. [Find out more here]

Sep 30, 2025 • 41min
High conviction: What we’re backing for the long term - Livewire Live Mini-Series
Banks and miners dominate the ASX, but the opportunity doesn’t end there. At Livewire Live 2025, L1 Capital’s Mark Landau and Allan Gray’s Simon Mawhinney shared their conviction calls beyond these portfolio staples.
This episode is part of our special mini-series of The Rules of Investing, giving you a front-row seat to discussions from Livewire Live 2025, our flagship investor event.
Whether you’re after big-picture market insights or actionable investment strategies, this series offers exclusive insights to help shape your investment decisions.
We hope you enjoy this special 4-part series. We’ll return to our regular programming with the next episode of The Rules of Investing.
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This series is proudly sponsored by Bell Direct Advantage.
Bell Direct Advantage is a premium trading platform designed for active and sophisticated investors. It provides access to Bell Potter research, exclusive IPOs, and advanced trading tools, all aimed at giving you a competitive edge. Whether you're a frequent trader or a high-net-worth individual looking to trade shares, options, or warrants, Bell Direct Advantage offers a tailored platform and superior service to sharpen your investing edge. [Find out more here]

Sep 29, 2025 • 41min
Viktor Shvets: How to embrace the chaos clouding markets - Livewire Live Mini-Series
Viktor Shvets is Macquarie's Head of Global Strategy with nearly 40 years in investment banking and equity research. He discusses the transformative impact of AI and the Fujiwara effect on markets, emphasizing that traditional economic cycles are obsolete. Viktor highlights rising inequality linked to finance and tech, the need for resilient portfolios, and the role of bubbles in general-purpose technologies. He warns about a potential singularity in 15-20 years but remains optimistic about societal outcomes, advocating for smart stock-picking in this chaotic landscape.


