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Diana C. Toman is a global legal and strategy consultant. She’s also a heart-driven badass – the mantra she coined during her week at the Hoffman Process. For much of Diana’s career, she hid her softness and kindness, fearing she’d be seen as weak. She would hide her generous heart at work, fearing she would be seen as soft in her role at work. But because she is generous and caring, she would continue to act on her generosity outside of work as long as the recipients kept it quiet. Misalignment causes tension and takes its toll. This is why Diana came to the Process. During her week there, Diana was able to claim her softness and marry it with her badass business acumen. What a powerful combination! The Process, though, brought more healing into Diana’s life. Her husband has done the Process, and together they’ve completed the Hoffman Couples Retreat. Through this work and using the tools regularly, they’ve come through a rough time, and out the other side of a rough time, they are closer and better able to navigate the life challenges they face together. We hope you enjoy this powerful episode with Diana and Sadie. More about Diana C. Toman: Diana Toman is a seasoned global legal and strategy consultant, founder of Toman Advisory Group, LLC, and a former Fortune 500 Chief Legal Officer. As a trusted advisor to boards of directors, C-suite executives, and functional teams, Diana guides clients through a myriad of global business, legal, and governance issues while also leading their organic and acquisitive growth. She is an influential, solutions-oriented leader who actively partners with clients to achieve their corporate objectives and reduce risks. Leveraging years of experience building high-achieving teams and inspiring the best in people through a foundation of integrity, trust, communication, and purpose, Diana serves as an executive coach to accomplished leaders and board of directors. Married and a mother of two, Diana is a Hoffman graduate and resides in Overland Park, Kansas. She is deeply committed to community service and has served on various boards of directors. She volunteers with numerous nonprofit organizations focused on education, human needs, and art. A commitment to empowering individuals and organizations, while balancing strategic insights with a dedication to ethical leadership, guides Diana’s professional and volunteer work. While at the Hoffman Process, Diana coined the mantra, “Heart Driven Badass.” At the Process, she aligned her heart and intellect. That balance has been instrumental in her personal growth journey. Follow Diana on LinkedIn and Instagram. As mentioned in this episode: Dr. Michelle Robin •   Listen to Dr. Robin on the Hoffman Podcast – A Vision of Well-Being Hoffman Couples Retreat

Lee Klinger Lesser is our guest today. A graduate of the Hoffman Process, Lee has led Sensory Awareness somatic workshops worldwide for many decades. She teaches workshops to diverse groups, including veterans and wildland firefighters. Lee led and co-founded a non-profit organization to work with military veterans: Veteran’s PATH. While she no longer leads this organization, Lee still works with Veterans, many of whom have graduated from the Hoffman Process. As a Hoffman grad, Lee is familiar with the “Left Road, Right Road” tool, a choice point that occurs many times each day of our lives. Lee speaks to how crucial presence is in choosing the steps of our lives and the direction our lives take. The question she often holds is, What does this moment ask of me? In each moment, we can ask ourselves this powerful question. It’s a way to slow down and realize that everything that exists is here and only here. Each moment asks us to stop and sense our next step, or in Hoffman terms, whether or not we will go down the Left Road or Right Road. The capacity Lee has to express the power of an embodied life in words is extraordinary. Listen in as she offers an articulated path to conscious choice in each moment of our lives. She says, “If we keep offering what we can offer, and we have confidence in our own possibility to have impact and our capacity to respond, then we’re not going to have regret. We may not be able to change things, maybe we’re not going to be able to change what we want, but the way we’re living and what we offer is coming from our own love and our own vitality and our own ability to respond.” We hope you enjoy this deep and rich conversation with Lee and Drew. Content warning: This episode references suicide. If you or someone you know is considering suicide, you can call the US National Suicide Prevention Program at 800-273-8255 (or simply 988), or message the crisis text hotline at 741741. More about Lee Klinger Lesser: Lee studied Sensory Awareness for 33 years in the United States with Charlotte Selver, the founder of this practice. Through Return to Our Senses, she’s been leading workshops since 1976, in English and Spanish. Lee sees over and over again the gift that this practice brings into the lives of so many people and into our world, which is in such great need of people living with awareness, resilience, and presence. She has reached into communities facing significant challenges to offer the resource and refuge of this practice. Lee led and co-founded a non-profit organization to work with military veterans: Veteran’s PATH —Peace, Acceptance, Transformation, Honor. She led this work for 12 years, stepping away from a formal role in the organization in Fall 2019. Under new leadership, the organization dissolved in 2023. Lee still facilitates programs for veterans and honors this work as some of the most meaningful and life-changing work she has had the privilege to do. She witnessed veterans open to devastating experiences, face, and transform pain into new possibilities. Lee continues to be inspired by the profound commitment to service and the loving dedication to community that she experienced in her work with veterans. Lee’s work and the Climate Crisis: Over the past six years, Lee has been helping to develop programs for Wildland firefighters on the front lines of the Climate Crisis. These firefighters are seeking support to meet the overwhelming challenges they are facing. Whether we realize it or not, we are all on the frontlines of the Climate Crisis. This has led Lee to develop programs to integrate the practice of Sensory Awareness with responding to the Climate Crisis. She is dedicated to bringing forward the core lesson she has learned from her years of practice: “There is no place to run, there is no escape from being with what is.” This is especially poignant and true as we realize that this Earth is the only home we have. We cannot run from what is happening. There is no escape from what is happening. So, it is up to each of us to find how to contribute to healing and caring for this precious home. As mentioned in this episode: Sensory Awareness and Charlotte Selver Return to Our Senses •   Return to Our Senses Veterans Programs •   Return to Our Senses & the Climate Crisis Wildland Firefighters “Despair is never a solution. It is the ultimate failure. If the rope breaks nine times, we must splice it together a tenth time. Even if we ultimately do fail, at least we will have no feelings of regret. And when we combine this insight with a clear appreciation of our potential to benefit others, we can begin to restore our hope and confidence.” The 14th Dalai Lama Listen to the poem “Lost,” by David Wagoner Elsa Gindler • The history of Sensory Awareness Listen to Megan Lowry on the Hoffman Podcast. Learn more about various Hoffman Process Scholarships Watch the Greta Thunberg and Dalai Lama video “I sleep nine hours every night and I sleep very peacefully.” The 14th Dalai Lama  

Jake Reisch, a 2024 Hoffman Process graduate, is passionate about building impactful companies from the ground up. He’s also an authentic speaker and storyteller, as you’ll hear in this conversation with Jake and Sadie. At the heart of Jake’s story is authenticity, courage, and a willingness to stay present to himself. At the start, Sadie asks Jake to share his bio – a seemingly quick and easy task. In Jake’s case, though, he has realized that his bio and how he shares about himself and his life have radically changed since his time at the Hoffman Process. It was after completing the Process that things started to click for Jake. He found he could witness his patterns in real-time and consciously make different choices in his daily life. At one point, as he shares, he found himself publicly speaking about his experience in childhood. He told his audience about his mistakes when he was young and his successes as an adult, building very successful startups. Both were, and are, true. Jake then told his audience that in his successes, he’d been “leaning into the gifts that he was given that he just didn’t know how to use when he was younger.” Jake was able to share publicly all of himself and his history. He’s found that sharing hard things with others permits them to share their hard things, too. That’s how deep relationships become possible. One more thing about today’s episode: as mentioned, Sadie Hannah, Hoffman teacher and coach, hosts this conversation with Jake. Sadie is our newest Hoffman Podcast host. She and Drew will share the role of host moving forward. Congratulations, Sadie! Thank you, Jake, for telling us your whole story. We hope you enjoy this authentic and intimate conversation with Jake and Sadie. More about Jake Reisch: Jake is a Forbes 30 Under 30 startup founder with a passion for building impactful companies from the ground up. He is currently the Executive Director at the Center for Internet and Technology Addiction while actively coaching and investing in high-potential, impact-oriented startup CEOs. He completed the Hoffman Process in March 2024. Jake currently lives in Panama City, Panama, with his wife Isabella and small dog Barry. Follow Jake on Instagram and LinkedIn. As mentioned in this episode: ADHD – Attention-deficit/hyperactivity Disorder Cornell University – Office of Entrepreneurship at Cornell Neurodivergent/Neurodiversity AeroFarms – Aeroponics EverSound Post-exit Founders Group on LinkedIn  

Today’s guest, our 200th guest on the Hoffman Podcast, is Brad Keywell. As you’ll soon hear, Brad is expansively curious and always moving toward more aliveness. An entrepreneur, investor, professor, author, artist, philanthropist, and Hoffman graduate, he shares his personal experience of the Process with us. In addition, Brad reflects upon the Hoffman Process through his lens of entrepreneurship and his essentially curious nature. Brad sees life as two forks in the road:  one of curiosity (fully alive) and the other of stagnation (not yet dead). While he says these are extremes, Brad suggests it is important to know which fork we find ourselves on and then consciously consider if we’re happy where we are. For Brad, this choice is to live the path of being fully alive. He suggests that the Process is a tool to help us grow in greater aliveness, curiosity, and vulnerability. We can consciously choose to continue to move forward into a life of greater aliveness and expansive curiosity. Join us in celebrating Brad and his journey to and through the Hoffman Process. We are grateful for this conversation with Brad and Drew. We hope you enjoy exploring the nature of change, curiosity, and a life of more aliveness. More about Brad Keywell: Brad is an American entrepreneur, investor, professor, author, artist, and philanthropist. He has founded or co-founded nine technology companies (three of which have gone public on NASDAQ), an early-stage VC firm, a global ideas platform, an immersive museum, and several nonprofit organizations. Brad was named the overall 2019 EY World Entrepreneur of the Year. This is the highest global honor (selected from 44 country winners in the global EY Entrepreneur of the Year program). He was also awarded the 2018 overall EY Entrepreneur of the Year in the United States. He is the Founder and Executive Chairman of Uptake Technologies. Uptake is an Industrial AI software company that delivers insights that increase productivity and reliability for industrial operators in twenty-one countries. In addition, Uptake, a Technology Pioneer of the World Economic Forum, was Forbes Startup of the Year in 2015. In addition, Uptake is a three-time CNBC Disruptor, a three-time Forbes Cloud 100 member, and was ranked third on the Forbes AI 50 list. Brad signed The Giving Pledge in 2015. By doing so, he committed to giving the majority of his wealth to charitable causes. He is the chairman of Future Founders, a nonprofit that provides entrepreneurship education to students in underserved communities throughout Chicagoland. Follow Brad on LinkedIn and X(Twitter). As mentioned in this episode: Bob Hoffman: Bob Hoffman, founder of the Hoffman Process, had an innate and highly gifted ability to listen to deeper truths and wisdom. Read more… University of Michigan Ross Commencement 2022 Speaker: Brad Keywell •   Bo Schembechler, Football Coach, University of Michigan

Today, we’ve brought together our Hoffman pre-Process Panel. Hoffman teachers Jason, Marc, Regina, and our host, Drew, share personal and professional insights into how the time leading up to the Hoffman Process solidly prepares you for your week at the Process. Regina offers wisdom on the pattern of perfection and how it doesn’t serve you when you come to the Process. Allowing ourselves to be messy in the container of the Process supports the deeper transformation that’s possible during the week. Regina calls us to trust the Process, saying, “The moment you commit, it’s the opportunity to lean into the edge of Spirit…” Marc talks about the power of choice. Oftentimes, students come to work on something happening in the present. But the work of the Process is to heal the pain of your past, which in turn affects things happening now, because the healing is within you. As Marc shares, at the Process, “You are stepping into your own childhood pain.” He goes on to say, “You are choosing that. That is a choice, whether there’s resistance, whether you’re scared…but you’re choosing that on some very, very big level.” A compassionate moment comes when Jason shares about the pre-work each student must complete. He mentions how hard it can be to complete the work because often students feel the pain as it is laid out on the page. Jason shares that the “homework is not who you are. It’s a story of what happened to you. And the more information you can get into that, the more connections you can make in that exploration of what happened to you and who you had to become, the greater your awareness will be stepping into the work at your Process.” In other words, the homework can lay a powerful foundation for your Process week. And, of course, Regina, Marc, and Jason share more insights, suggestions, and wisdom to help support you as you prepare for your week at the Process. We hope you enjoy this conversation about how your pre-Process time is integral to supporting your transformational week at the Process. Our Pre-Process Panel Regina Louise: Regina Louise holds a Bachelor of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies from California Institute of Integral Studies. In addition, she holds a Master of Fine Arts in Creative Writing and Writing for the Performative Arts from the University of California, Riverside. Regina has canvassed the U.S. extensively as a national spokesperson and child advocate, and is excited to be a Hoffman teacher! Read more about Regina here. Listen to Regina share her story on The Hoffman Podcast. Marc Kaplan: Marc’s life purpose is to support people in finding and using their authentic voice. In addition to teaching the Hoffman process, Marc is an esteemed music educator, producer, conductor, and coach. He holds a Bachelor of Arts in Music and Political Science from The George Washington University. “The Hoffman methodology is the foundation of my spiritual practice. It helped me discover that I have choices, enabling me to step into my dignity and live my life from a place of love.” When Marc first did the Process in 2011, he envisioned being a father, and now he is one. He lives in Westchester County, NY with his wife and two daughters. Listen to Marc, along with Dan Siegel, on the Hoffman Podcast. Jason Beegle: Jason holds a BA in Psychology from John F. Kennedy University and an MA in Religion from the University of Hawaii. As a certified NLP coach and intuitive healer, he brings a warm, heart-centered presence to the work of transformation. Jason first experienced the Hoffman Process in 2017. It was a profound turning point that deepened his connection to spirit, purpose, and inner freedom. He is devoted to helping others reconnect with their true selves through compassion, presence, and spiritual insight. “Teaching the Process fills me with hope. It’s a sacred privilege to witness people return to themselves with love, truth, and tenderness.” Jason lives in the Bay Area, where spending time in nature offers him the space to reflect, ground, and renew. As mentioned in this episode: Pre-Process work/Homework Once enrolled in the Process, you’ll receive the homework. As Jason says, completion takes about 8 -10 hours and is a foundational piece of your week at the Process. Negative Love Syndrome Read Bob Hoffman‘s A Path to Personal Freedom and Love Listen to the Post-Process Panel on the Hoffman Podcast Dr. Dan Siegel shares his Process story on the Hoffman Podcast Mementos and a childhood photo Once enrolled, you will learn more about what you are asked to bring to your Process, including these mementos and a childhood photo of yourself. The Quadrinity™ Symbol The Hoffman Quadrinity™ Symbol was designed by Bob Hoffman in 1967 to represent the wholeness of Self: The circle represents the Body; the large vertical diamond in the middle represents the Spirit; the 2 smaller horizontal diamond shapes represent the Intellect and Emotions. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.  

Retired trial judge, Rusty Duke, came to the Hoffman Process on the advice of his wise, eleven-year-old granddaughter. Her father, Rusty’s son, had returned home happier after his time in California. While swinging on a porch swing together, Rusty and his granddaughter were talking. She said she thought that Rusty, her grandfather, was happy, but Rusty would return from California even happier, just like her dad had. Rusty listened to her wise counsel. Just two days later, he registered for the Process. The prominent theme running through Rusty’s story is happiness. He was a happy child. He has a good life. And, Rusty did, indeed, return home even happier. One of the most important realizations students have during the Process is that we are not our patterns. Before coming to the Process, Rusty didn’t know he had patterns. Realizing that we have patterns and that we aren’t those patterns can open the door to a deeper discovery of life and who we are. In Rusty’s words, Hoffman “brings a reality to life. It helps you to stop and listen and consider where you are, who you are, and what you are.” During his week at the Process, Rusty crossed the ‘bridge’ into a newfound sense of self-love, shepherded by the love he felt from his Process-mates. He’d never really heard anyone talk about self-love before. Rusty left California and returned home, leaving behind the negative voices in his head that can keep self-love at bay. We hope you enjoy this heartwarming conversation with Judge Rusty Duke and Drew. More about Rusty Duke: Rusty Duke is a retired trial judge, married 52 years, with three children and nine grandchildren. He lives in Greenville, North Carolina, and is ‘Of Counsel’ at a local law firm. Duke enjoys visiting with his children and grandchildren and traveling with his family and friends. He enjoys being involved in community activities and service. Rusty enjoys speaking to various local civic groups and caring for a local camp. He recently published his first book, “Call Your Next Case: My Stories.” As mentioned in this episode: Blackbeard the Pirate Edward Teach (or Thatch), better known as Blackbeard (c. 1680 – 22 November 1718) Blackbird’s buried treasure chest Blackbeard House in Beaufort, NC, circa 1700 The Algonquian Peoples Hoffman tools mentioned: The Quadrinity Spiritual Self, the body, the intellect, and the emotional self. Patterns: Patterns are typically negative, compulsive, automatic, and emotionally charged. They can be direct copies of parental behaviors, rebellions against them, or reactions to them. Read more about patterns here. Recylcing Transforming negative patterns into positive alternatives requires following the Cycle of Transformation. The tool used to transform patterns is recycling. The Hoffman App Your journey to discover your authentic self does not end after completing a Hoffman course. Rather, it is just the beginning. The Hoffman App is here to support you as you continue this journey, today and far into the future. The app is full of guidance, practices, and visualizations to inspire and help you achieve your personal goals. We like to think of this app as “Hoffman in your pocket.” It’s available at the App Store.  

Entrepreneur and business owner, Carol Frank, came to the Hoffman Process for one clear reason: she wanted to find a life partner. In her early fifties and never married, Carol had just ended a year-long relationship. The beautiful thing was that Carol was ready. She knew that if she wanted a lasting partnership, she had to make a change. Carol shared this with a friend who happened to be a Hoffman graduate. Although this friend had mentioned Hoffman prior, it wasn’t until this moment that Carol said, Yes, to the lasting change that would happen for her at the Hoffman Process. Within a week of this conversation, Carol had signed up. Within two weeks, she was in the classroom at White Sulphur Springs. This was in 2011. One year later, Carol ran into someone she had dated prior. This time, though, was different. They decided to have another date. After a bit, he said to her, “You are different. What’s changed?” It was her week at the Hoffman Process. In the years since, Carol and her partner married, and he attended the Hoffman Process. Carol’s transformation, during her Process and in the months and years after, has been profound. She healed deep family patterns. Carol came to understand why her parents were the way they were and found peace and forgiveness for them. She shares some beautiful moments with her mother directly following her Process. Carol’s mother died just a short time later. These moments were a precious gift. Hoffman’s tagline is, “When you’re serious about change.” And we mean it. People must truly be ready for the deep change that can happen in their lives. Carol was ready, and life was ready and waiting for her on the other side of her transformative week. We hope you enjoy this heart-warming conversation with Carol and Drew. More about Carol Frank: Carol is passionate about business, animals, and the intersection of the two. After starting her career as a CPA, she founded and operated three pet companies– a retail pet store, a wholesale distribution company, and a pet product manufacturing company.  Carol then leveraged her experience in both finance and entrepreneurship to start BirdsEye Advisory Group. This M&A Advisory firm helps pet company founders and entrepreneurs when they are ready to sell their business. She has a BBA in accounting from The University of Texas at Austin and an MBA from Southern Methodist University.  Over the years, Carol has served in leadership roles within the pet industry. She’s also served on the board of over a dozen nonprofit and business organizations, including the Dallas Zoo, the Denver Zoo Leadership Council, and Greenwood Wildlife Rehabilitation. Carol is a Trustee for The University of Colorado Foundation. She is also a member of the Colorado Chapter of the International Women’s Forum. Her biggest passion is animals. Carol shares her life with her Eclectus parrot, Peri, and Daphne, a sweet, energetic Whoodle.  She loves skiing, biking, and birding. Follow Carol on LinkedIn. As mentioned in this episode: White Sulphur Springs: The Hoffman Institute’s past retreat site was lost in the Glass fire, which started in the early morning hours of September 27, 2020. Hoffman Refresher Course Raz Ingrasci, Hoffman teacher and Coach Listen to Raz on The Hoffman Podcast: Husband, Father, Son Hoffman and the Enneagram with Raz and Ward Ashman Spiritual Lineage & the Hoffman Process with Raz and Marissa Ingrasci Hoffman Couples Retreat

Our post-Process panel, Kevin, Steve, and Zeina, gathers together with Drew to share both personal and professional insights into why your days after the Hoffman Process are so important to the journey that lies ahead. As Hoffman teacher and coach, Zeina Mobassaleh, says about leaving the Process, “You’re not done, you’ve just begun.” Why is this time immediately post-Process so important? Listen in as our delightful post-Process panel of teachers shines a light on the gifts that lie ahead over the days, weeks, and after completing the Hoffman Process. Kevin offers insights into the Hoffman tools and practices. As he says, “We get good at what we practice.” Hoffman Practices are offered through the Hoffman App and daily on Instagram, where you can practice with the Hoffman community. Steve underscores the importance of the weekend after the Process. He explains that a large part of the Process is becoming Spirit embodied. Steve shares that we can “settle in and allow the work just completed to percolate down and in where the Spirit meets the bones” during the integration weekend. Zeina generously shares a beautiful quote that her Hoffman Process teacher told her upon graduation about the sun and clouds, and how to flow with our internal weather. Zeina reminds us that during our Process week, we’ve come to see the sun. Clouds will come again, but the tools and practices that can clear the clouds away. You can return to this conversation to refresh your memories of your Process and reset your daily Hoffman practices. We hope you enjoy this conversation and use it to stay grounded in your Hoffman transformation. Our Post-Process Panel Kevin Eyres: “I am passionate about supporting people on their healing journey, facing what is blocking them, finding their full range of emotions, and embodying self-love. My Process showed me how to face my shame, self-doubt, and destructive patterns from a fundamentally different perspective – self-compassion.” Kevin Eyres holds a B.S. in Computer Science from the University of Texas at San Antonio. He is a seasoned technology executive and a YPO member since 2002. Kevin is also an executive coach and speaker. Kevin, his wife, and daughter live in Los Altos Hills, California. Listen to Kevin on The Hoffman Podcast Steve Granville: “I so enjoy witnessing the changes in students as they move through the Process. It is such an honor and privilege.” When Steve did his Process, he discovered, “A profound sense of who I really am. I finally understood that I was not my patterns and that by simply being honest about what was true for me, I could cultivate the intimacy with myself and others that I always wanted.” Steve Granville holds a Master’s degree in International Management. He is a Restorative Justice facilitator and trainer, and executive leadership consultant in clinical healthcare. He loves helping people grow into their potential. Steve lives in the San Francisco Bay Area with his wife and two kids. They love playing together outside, especially in fresh powder. Zeina Mobassaleh: Zenia Mobassaleh holds a B.A. from Brown University, a J.D. from Columbia University, and diplomas from Sciences Po and the Sorbonne in Paris. She is a certified Parenting Coach, and has written the book, Your Children Are Not Your Children: 100 Mindful Baby Steps to a More Joyful Home. The Hoffman Process was a gift in Zeina’s life, putting her on the path to responding rather than reacting in life, and to leading with love and living with joy. It is a gift that she feels lucky to be able to share with others as she supports them on their own paths and journeys to healing. As mentioned in this episode: The Hoffman App Your journey to discover your authentic self does not end after the completion of a Hoffman course. Rather, it is just the beginning. The Hoffman App is here to support you as you continue this journey, today and far into the future. The app is full of guidance, practices, and visualizations to inspire and help you achieve your personal goals. We like to think of this app as “Hoffman in your pocket.” It’s available at the App Store. Instagram Lives: Join our virtual community Quad-Check at 8:00 am PT on Instagram. A Quad Check is a practice to support you in integrating and honoring all four parts of your Quadrinity: Spiritual Self, Intellect, Emotional Self, and your Body. Come be a part of our daily Appreciation and Gratitude practice at 6:00 pm PT on Instagram. You’ll find the Appreciation and Gratitude practice to be a beautiful way to reflect on your day. This practice will support your Spiritual Self’s natural desire to appreciate and give thanks for all that life brings you. The Integration Manual: This is passed out to Hoffman graduates on the final day of their Process. The Self-love, Self-forgiveness walk, and the reading, My Life is My Responsibility, are found in the Integrational Manual. The Four F’s: Fight, flight, freeze, and fawn. The Role of Sleep in Emotional Brain Function: “Assessed using functional MRI (fMRI), one night of sleep deprivation triggers a 60% amplification in reactivity of the amygdala in response to emotionally negative pictures, relative to a normal night of sleep…” (continue reading) For Process Grads link: For more courses, tools, practices, and ways to stay in touch, check out the For Process Grads…link on our website.

Patrick Belisle, Director of Philanthropy at the Hoffman Institute Foundation, is our guest today. A self-described practical mystic, Patrick embarked upon a spiritual journey that took him around the world and the country. In 2022, he participated in what he calls the pinnacle of his spiritual journey, the Hoffman Process. In this conversation with Drew, Patrick shares his unique perspective on money as “financial energy.” He explains how philanthropic giving is a win-win; a way to fulfill both parties’ goals and dreams. Patrick’s approach to money will inspire you to craft your own financial story. We hope you enjoy this conversation with Patrick and Drew. More about Patrick Belisle: Patrick Belisle is a self-described “practical mystic” who studied theology with Benedictine monks at his college in Minnesota, meditated with Buddhist monks in Thailand, and had a powerful spiritual awakening at the Osho Commune in Pune, India. He and his wife Jane, also a Hoffman graduate, traveled around the world for a year, and around North America for another three years, in search of the meaning of life. They live happily and authentically in Charlottesville, Virginia. Over the years, Patrick has worn many hats: He is a longtime student and teacher of famous psychic Edgar Cayce’s readings. Patrick had a 15-year tenure as a Director at Edgar Cayce’s Association for Research and Enlightenment (A.R.E.) in Virginia Beach, VA. He’s also worked for  Dr. Ian Stevenson’s Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia for many years. UVADOPS.org applies rigorous scientific research to Near-Death Experiences (NDEs), children who seem to remember past lives, psychic phenomena, and other consciousness-related topics. Patrick has practiced hypnotherapy for many years. He has worked with young people in many capacities, facilitated various relationship workshops, and officiated over 60 weddings, baby blessings, and celebrations of life. Patrick currently serves as Director of Philanthropy at the Hoffman Institute Foundation. He helps raise over $2 million annually for student scholarships and teacher training. Beginning in 2025, Patrick and Hoffman’s Board has set a goal to raise $25 million to purchase and renovate Hoffman’s new Santa Sabina campus in San Rafael, CA. Santa Sabina will open in 2026. His unique perspective on money as “financial energy” will inspire you to think of your financial energy in a whole new way; how it comes to you, how you use it, and how it all works. As mentioned in this episode: Ways to Donate to Hoffman Catholic Benedictine monks Eastern Philosophy Mysticism Breathwork David Brooks •   How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen •   The Second Mountain: The Quest for a Moral Life The Post-Process Weekend Integration: Participants often feel very different after completing their Process, almost like a new self inhabiting a new life. It is important to orient and synthesize everything you have experienced and learned. We strongly recommend taking the weekend to complete this quiet integration. Raz Ingrasci & Liza Ingrasci, Founders of the Hoffman Institute Foundation •   Listen to Raz on the Hoffman Podcast Hoffman Scholarships Hoffman tools mentioned The Hoffman App Join Hoffman’s Instagram Daily Quad Checks at 8:00 am PT Hoffman 1-Day Graduate Refreshers in the US and Canada The Hand-on-Heart Practice Left Road/Right Road – Making a Choice Negative Love Patterns •   Pattern tools: Pre-Cycling, Vicious Cycle, Recycling

Nita Gage, Hoffman teacher and Director of Faculty, worked closely with Dr. Lipsenthal, M.D., for several years before his death. He was an internationally recognized leader, teacher, and author in integrative medicine and physician wellness. And he loved the Hoffman Process. The vision, care, and understanding that Dr. Lipsenthal brought to the world of medicine and medical doctors has changed how doctors care for themselves. Through his own time in the medical profession, Dr. Lipsenthal observed that the health, morale, and work satisfaction of many physicians were often worse than that of their patients. He found a way to support physicians in improving these areas of their lives. Like both Dr. Lipsenthal and Nita, many physicians they worked with eventually came to do the Hoffman Process, which gave them additional tools to change their lives for the better. Listen in as Nita shares her experience of working with Lee, the physician, and Lee the man. We hope you enjoy this conversation with Nita and Drew. More about Lee Lipsenthal, M.D.: Lee Lipsenthal, MD Lee Lipsenthal, M.D., was an internationally recognized leader, teacher, and author in integrative medicine and physician wellness. He was the medical director with Dean Ornish of the Preventative Medicine Research Institute in Sausalito, California, for ten years, and has also served as president of the American Board of Integrative Holistic Medicine and on the American Medical Association’s Physician Wellness Committee. Through his years in the medical profession, Dr. Lipsenthal observed that the health, morale, and work satisfaction of many physicians were often worse than that of their patients. Inspired by his personal and professional experience, he developed the “Finding Balance in a Medical Life” program, which has been adapted by major medical groups and is being delivered at medical schools and residency programs nationwide. Lee was a 2006 graduate of the Hoffman Process. He died in September 2011. His wife, Kathy, also a physician, and his two children live in California. Lee Lipsenthal authored, Enjoy Every Sandwich: Living Each Day as If It Were Your Last. More about Nita Gage: From 1970 to 1980, Nita trained in psychoanalysis with R.D. Laing in London. Upon returning to the United States, she pursued graduate degrees in clinical psychology and a doctorate in shamanic psychology. Nita has been leading transformational healing retreats for over 25 years and the last 10 years recently with the Hoffman Institute. She is now the Director of Faculty for Hoffman Institute.  Before Hoffman, she founded the Healer Within Retreats, with Lee Lipsenthal, MD, offering physician wellness retreats.  She also served clinical and executive positions in hospitals and treatment centers over the 50 years of her career. Listen to Nita on The Hoffman Podcast – A Courageous Ripple   Nita has authored two books: Soul Whispering: The Art of Awakening Shamanic Consciousness and Women in Storage: How to Reimagine Your Life. As mentioned in this episode: Dean Ornish Ornish.com ACEs – Adverse Childhood Experiences Sausalito, CA Moloka’i, Hawaii •   Hui Ho’olana Retreat Center Buddhist Fundamental Teachings Co-Dependency Work addiction Chronic Illness/Disease IONS – Institute of Noetic Sciences, Established by Hoffman Graduate, Astronaut, Dr. Edgar Mitchell. “I realized that the story of ourselves as told by science—our cosmology, our religion—was incomplete and likely flawed. I recognized that the Newtonian idea of separate, independent, discrete things in the universe wasn’t a fully accurate description. What was needed was a new story of who we are and what we are capable of becoming.” Dr. Edgar Mitchell HeartMath Recycling – Hoffman tool Self-Compassion •   Kristen Neff and self-compassion on the Hoffman Podcast – Goodwill & Intention, the Magic Ingredients •   Chris Germer and self-compassion on the Hoffman Podcast – The Antidote to Shame Randy Perkins – previous Hoffman Institute Foundation Board Member “Today is a good day to die.” Lee’s book, Enjoy Every Sandwich: Living Each Day as If It Were Your Last Warren Zevon’s final appearance on the David Letterman Show The iPod The Shadow •   “Do you want to be good or do you want to be whole?” Carl Jung John Lennon