

The Curious Task
Institute for Liberal Studies
We explore philosophy, politics, economics, and other ideas from a classical liberal perspective.
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Aug 6, 2025 • 1h 9min
Kevin Vallier - What Are The New Religious Threats To Liberalism?
Kevin Vallier, an associate professor of philosophy at Bowling Green State University, dives into his book addressing the rising religious threats to liberalism. He discusses integralism's blend of church and state, along with its historical context. Vallier also examines the nuances of Islamic anti-liberalism and Sharia governance, highlighting potential democratic pathways. The conversation further explores Confucian critiques of liberalism and the complexities of engaging with religious beliefs in a modern political landscape.

Jul 30, 2025 • 1h 4min
Brian Dijkema - Did Liberalism Fail?
In this episode, Matt speaks with Brian Dijkema of Cardus, about the moral limits of modern liberalism. Dijkema argues that while classical liberalism emerged from a tradition concerned with virtue and the common good, today’s liberalism often treats neutrality and technocratic governance as ends in themselves. They discuss the work of classical liberal theorists, Rawls' liberal vision, the legacy of Christian social thought, and how institutional renewal requires more than procedural fairness but rather a shared vision of the good.
References:
Brian Dijkema — Profile (Cardus)
https://www.cardus.ca/personnel/brian-dijkema/
“Liberty, Equality, … Disintegration?” — Patrick Deneen in conversation with Brian Dijkema
https://comment.org/liberty-equality-disintegration/
“Labor’s Conservative Heart” — Brian Dijkema (American Compass)
https://americancompass.org/labors-conservative-heart/
Why Liberalism Failed — Patrick Deneen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Liberalism_Failed
“The Ethics of Attention in an Age of Distraction” — Brian Dijkema
https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1146&context=icctej
Brian Dijkema — Contributor Archive (Convivium)
https://www.convivium.ca/writers/bio/bdijkema/page/2/
Brian Dijkema — Articles at Comment Magazine
https://comment.org/contributors/brian-dijkema/
“The Classical Liberal Diaspora” — Michael C. Munger
https://dukespace.lib.duke.edu/items/513d2184-ca95-4508-b4ef-f137a03b32f0
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Jul 23, 2025 • 59min
Chandran Kukathas - What’s Wrong With Immigration Control?
In this episode from 2022, Alex speaks with Chandran Kukathas about the costs of limiting immigration and what effects there may be on policy if the question of who counts as an immigrant is itself unclear.
References
1. “Immigration and Freedom” by Chandran Kukathas
Link: https://www.amazon.com/Immigration-Freedom-Chandran-Kukathas/dp/0691189684

Jul 16, 2025 • 1h 20min
Pete Boettke — What Is The Curious Task of Economics?
In this conversation from 2020, Alex Aragona chats with Pete Boettke as he dives into what the curious task of economics is and relates it back to the work of Friedrich Hayek.
References from Episode 40 with Pete Boettke
You can purchase Pete Boettke’s book on F.A. Hayek on Amazon Canada here
Check out Pete Boettke’s economics blog here

Jul 9, 2025 • 49min
Bruce Pardy - Freedom Or Virtue?
In this episode, Matt speaks with legal scholar Bruce Pardy about the deep tension between freedom and virtue. Pardy argues that “freedom people” - classical liberals and libertarians - see virtue as something that can only emerge when individuals are free to choose, while “virtue people” believe virtue must come first, even if enforced by the state. They explore the limits of state neutrality, city planning, drug policy, and the rise of authoritarian instincts across both the right and the left. Pardy explains why a truly free society is risky - and why that risk is necessary for genuine virtue and responsibility.
References:
“Freedom and Virtue: Friends or Enemies?” — Bruce Pardy (Brownstone Institute)
https://brownstone.org/articles/freedom-and-virtue-friends-or-enemies/
Bruce Pardy — Profile (Fraser Institute)
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/profile/bruce-pardy
Bruce Pardy — Author Page (The Epoch Times)
https://www.theepochtimes.com/author/bruce-pardy
The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek
https://a.co/d/cp4rlD5
The Open Society and Its Enemies by Karl Popper
https://a.co/d/iVwmVvs
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Jul 2, 2025 • 1h 11min
Ben Woodfinden - What Is Canadian Conservatism?
In this episode, Alex speaks with political theorist Ben Woodfinden about the meaning and complexity of Canadian conservatism. Drawing on his essay “A Tory Impulse and Anti-Laurentian Ideas Drive Canadian Conservatism”, Woodfinden explains why conservatism in Canada is not a single rigid doctrine but a pluralistic network of regionally rooted traditions — from prairie populism and Western anti-elitism to Ontario’s old Toryism and Quebec’s nationalist strands. They unpack Canada’s unique confederation story, the idea of the Laurentian elite, and how any coherent conservatism must remain a coalition rooted in local distinctiveness and historical context.
References
“A Tory Impulse and Anti-Laurentian Ideas Drive Canadian Conservatism” – Ben Woodfinden (The Hub)
https://thehub.ca/2022/08/17/ben-woodfinden-a-tory-impulse-and-anti-laurentian-ideas-drive-canadian-conservatism/
“Canada’s aspiring populists aren’t actually all that radical” – Ben Woodfinden (The Hub)
https://thehub.ca/2022/05/27/canadas-aspiring-populists-arent-actually-all-that-radical/
“King Charles III and the glorious weirdness of Canada's monarchy” – Ben Woodfinden
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ben-woodfinden-king-charles-iii-and-the-glorious-weirdness-of-canadas-monarchy
Ben's contributions to The Hub
https://thehub.ca/author/benwoodfinden/
“Lament for a Nation: The Defeat of Canadian Nationalism” by George Grant
https://a.co/d/d0NQs95
“The Crooked Timber of Humanity” by Isaiah Berlin
https://a.co/d/6l1wq3d
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Jun 25, 2025 • 54min
Jacob Levy - Is Liberalism Neutral?
In this conversation from 2023, Alex speaks with Professor Jacob Levy about the concept of neutrality within the history of liberalism and how many historical thinkers have approached the subject within that tradition.
Episode Notes:
Michael Oakeshott on “adverbial rules” https://lawliberty.org/forum/michael-oakeshott-on-the-rule-of-law-and-the-liberal-order/
John Locke’s religious beliefs https://rb.gy/1yg43
Heresy of Americanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(heresy)
Deirdre McCloskey’s Bourgeois Virtues Thesis https://www.deirdremccloskey.com/docs/bv_selection.pdf
Ronald Dworkin “Liberalism” https://www.scribd.com/document/313373358/Ronald-Dworkin-Liberalism#
Stephanie Slade, "Must Libertarians Care About More Than the State?" https://reason.com/2022/03/19/two-libertarianisms/
Alexis De Toqueville’s concerns about the rising liberal democratic order https://www.economist.com/schools-brief/2018/08/09/de-tocqueville-and-the-french-exception
John Stuart Mill “On Liberty” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Liberty

Jun 18, 2025 • 46min
Bill Wirtz - Why Do Governments Hate Fun?
Episode Summary:
Matt Bufton is joined by Bill Wirtz of the Consumer Choice Centre to explore why governments often crack down on fun—from drinking and smoking to gambling and vaping. They dive into the cultural and political roots of paternalistic policies, how public health rhetoric masks deeper control impulses, and why Canada offers a revealing case study in state-imposed virtue. Wirtz also highlights how prohibitionist instincts persist even when evidence contradicts their effectiveness.
References
“Children Are the Future: Authoritarianism, Culture War and Making Model Citizens” by Alan Elrod
https://www.liberalcurrents.com/children-are-the-future-authoritarianism-culture-war-and-making-model-citizens/
That Which is Seen and That Which is Not Seen by Frédéric Bastiat
https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/bastiat-selected-essays-on-political-economy#lf0181_head_009
The Fun Police – Podcast Series by Bill Wirtz
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/fun-police/id1714265675
World Health Organization – Framework Convention on Tobacco Control
https://fctc.who.int/
Milton Friedman’s “Free to Choose” (PBS Series)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dngqR9gcDDw&list=PLt27lKoC5LS4wbD28Jkv95UUm9H7wbVO4
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Jun 11, 2025 • 1h 6min
Marc-William Palen - Were There Left-Wing Visions of Free Trade?
Marc-William Palen, a historian at the University of Exeter and author of Pax Economica, delves into the evolution of left-wing visions of free trade from the 19th century to the Cold War. He highlights key movements like the Anti-Corn Law League and figures such as Marx. The conversation reveals how feminist ideologies and Christian pacifism intersected with economic principles, while also critiquing protectionist policies. Palen advocates for a reexamination of leftist approaches to globalization, stressing their relevance in today's economic debates.

Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 3min
Russ Roberts - What’s Wrong With Education?
In this conversation from 2022, Alex speaks with Russ Roberts about the nature of education and how we should rethink it in today's world. This is a special episode being released in conjunction with this week's episode of Econtalk.
References
1. The Center for Experiential Learning at Washington University
Link: https://olin.wustl.edu/student-resources/center-for-experiential-learning.php#:~:text=The%20Center%20for%20Experiential%20Learning,Driven%E2%84%A2%20practice%20and%20application.
2. EconTalk Podcast
Link: https://simplecast.econtalk.org/
3. “How Adam Smith Can Change Your Life: An Unexpected Guide to Human Nature and Happiness” by Russ Roberts
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Adam-Smith-Change-Your-Life/dp/1591847958