
The Curious Task
We explore philosophy, politics, economics, and other ideas from a classical liberal perspective.
Latest episodes

Jul 2, 2025 • 1h 11min
Ben Woodfinden - What Is Canadian Conservatism?
In this episode, Alex speaks with political theorist Ben Woodfinden about the meaning and complexity of Canadian conservatism. Drawing on his essay “A Tory Impulse and Anti-Laurentian Ideas Drive Canadian Conservatism”, Woodfinden explains why conservatism in Canada is not a single rigid doctrine but a pluralistic network of regionally rooted traditions — from prairie populism and Western anti-elitism to Ontario’s old Toryism and Quebec’s nationalist strands. They unpack Canada’s unique confederation story, the idea of the Laurentian elite, and how any coherent conservatism must remain a coalition rooted in local distinctiveness and historical context.
References
“A Tory Impulse and Anti-Laurentian Ideas Drive Canadian Conservatism” – Ben Woodfinden (The Hub)
https://thehub.ca/2022/08/17/ben-woodfinden-a-tory-impulse-and-anti-laurentian-ideas-drive-canadian-conservatism/
“Canada’s aspiring populists aren’t actually all that radical” – Ben Woodfinden (The Hub)
https://thehub.ca/2022/05/27/canadas-aspiring-populists-arent-actually-all-that-radical/
“King Charles III and the glorious weirdness of Canada's monarchy” – Ben Woodfinden
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ben-woodfinden-king-charles-iii-and-the-glorious-weirdness-of-canadas-monarchy
Ben's contributions to The Hub
https://thehub.ca/author/benwoodfinden/
“Lament for a Nation: The Defeat of Canadian Nationalism” by George Grant
https://a.co/d/d0NQs95
“The Crooked Timber of Humanity” by Isaiah Berlin
https://a.co/d/6l1wq3d
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Jun 25, 2025 • 54min
Jacob Levy - Is Liberalism Neutral?
In this conversation from 2023, Alex speaks with Professor Jacob Levy about the concept of neutrality within the history of liberalism and how many historical thinkers have approached the subject within that tradition.
Episode Notes:
Michael Oakeshott on “adverbial rules” https://lawliberty.org/forum/michael-oakeshott-on-the-rule-of-law-and-the-liberal-order/
John Locke’s religious beliefs https://rb.gy/1yg43
Heresy of Americanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(heresy)
Deirdre McCloskey’s Bourgeois Virtues Thesis https://www.deirdremccloskey.com/docs/bv_selection.pdf
Ronald Dworkin “Liberalism” https://www.scribd.com/document/313373358/Ronald-Dworkin-Liberalism#
Stephanie Slade, "Must Libertarians Care About More Than the State?" https://reason.com/2022/03/19/two-libertarianisms/
Alexis De Toqueville’s concerns about the rising liberal democratic order https://www.economist.com/schools-brief/2018/08/09/de-tocqueville-and-the-french-exception
John Stuart Mill “On Liberty” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Liberty

Jun 18, 2025 • 46min
Bill Wirtz - Why Do Governments Hate Fun?
Episode Summary:
Matt Bufton is joined by Bill Wirtz of the Consumer Choice Centre to explore why governments often crack down on fun—from drinking and smoking to gambling and vaping. They dive into the cultural and political roots of paternalistic policies, how public health rhetoric masks deeper control impulses, and why Canada offers a revealing case study in state-imposed virtue. Wirtz also highlights how prohibitionist instincts persist even when evidence contradicts their effectiveness.
References
“Children Are the Future: Authoritarianism, Culture War and Making Model Citizens” by Alan Elrod
https://www.liberalcurrents.com/children-are-the-future-authoritarianism-culture-war-and-making-model-citizens/
That Which is Seen and That Which is Not Seen by Frédéric Bastiat
https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/bastiat-selected-essays-on-political-economy#lf0181_head_009
The Fun Police – Podcast Series by Bill Wirtz
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/fun-police/id1714265675
World Health Organization – Framework Convention on Tobacco Control
https://fctc.who.int/
Milton Friedman’s “Free to Choose” (PBS Series)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dngqR9gcDDw&list=PLt27lKoC5LS4wbD28Jkv95UUm9H7wbVO4
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Jun 11, 2025 • 1h 6min
Marc-William Palen - Were There Left-Wing Visions of Free Trade?
In this conversation from 2024, Alex speaks with Marc-William Palen about the evolution of left-wing visions of free trade from the mid-19th century through the Cold War, highlighting key movements and figures like the Anti-Corn Law League, Karl Marx, and the Fair Trade movement, and contrasting these with protectionist and imperialist policies of the era.
Episode Notes:
Marc-William's book "Pax Economica: Left-Wing Visions of a Free Trade World": https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691199320/pax-economica
Marx on Free Trade:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/#:~:text=Only%20under%20Free%20Trade%20can,%2C%20wage%2Dlaborers%20there%3B%20hereditary
The Eric Schliesser episode of the Curious Task mentioned by Alex: https://thecurioustask.podbean.com/e/special-episode-5-eric-schliesser-%e2%80%94-what-is-neoliberalism/
Journal of Liberal History's summary of the history of the Anti-Corn Law League:
https://liberalhistory.org.uk/history/anti-corn-law-league/
Overview of the history of the Opium Wars:
https://asiapacificcurriculum.ca/learning-module/opium-wars-china#:~:text=The%20Opium%20Wars%20in%20the,China%20lost%20both%20wars.
A primer on the origins of Fair Trade and the Haslemere Declaration:
https://imperialglobalexeter.com/2018/05/03/what-fair-trade-was-originally-about-the-haslemere-declaration-of-1968/

Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 3min
Russ Roberts - What’s Wrong With Education?
In this conversation from 2022, Alex speaks with Russ Roberts about the nature of education and how we should rethink it in today's world. This is a special episode being released in conjunction with this week's episode of Econtalk.
References
1. The Center for Experiential Learning at Washington University
Link: https://olin.wustl.edu/student-resources/center-for-experiential-learning.php#:~:text=The%20Center%20for%20Experiential%20Learning,Driven%E2%84%A2%20practice%20and%20application.
2. EconTalk Podcast
Link: https://simplecast.econtalk.org/
3. “How Adam Smith Can Change Your Life: An Unexpected Guide to Human Nature and Happiness” by Russ Roberts
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Adam-Smith-Change-Your-Life/dp/1591847958

May 28, 2025 • 1h 4min
David Friedman - What Is Anarcho-Capitalism?
In this episode from 2023, Alex speaks with David Friedman about defenses, definitions and critiques of Anarcho-Capitalism in David's work and in others'.
Episode Notes:
- Summary of David's book "The Machinery of Freedom" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machinery_of_Freedom
- Some of Ayn Rand's views on Libertarianism and Anarcho-Capitalism: http://aynrandlexicon.com/ayn-rand-ideas/ayn-rand-q-on-a-on-libertarianism.html
- Some of David's comments on his Father's views of his work can be found here: https://www.econlib.org/archives/2011/07/david_friedmans_1.html
- The Stanford Encyclopedia's entry on Anarchism https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/anarchism/#:~:text=Libertarianism%20and%20anarcho%2Dcapitalism%20also,the%20idea%20of%20social%20development.
- "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" - Robert A. Heinlein https://a.co/d/4gmWZrP
- "The Private Enforcement of Law" - Landes and Posner https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=259376
- "Law Enforcement, Malfeasance, and Compensation of Enforcers" - Gary S. Becker and George J. Stigler https://laws21.classes.ryansafner.com/readings/Becker-Stigler-1974.pdf

May 21, 2025 • 56min
Mike Munger - Can Classical Liberalism Be Saved?
In this conversation from 2023, Alex speaks with Mike Munger about the state of classical liberalism in an era in which conservatism seems intent on wielding the tools of central planning and the left prefers the term "progressive" to "liberal".
Episode Notes:
The Classical Liberal Diaspora by Mike Munger: https://t.co/xoRnPIUXXi
The Articles of Confederation: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Articles-of-Confederation
Preamble to the United States constitution: https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/us
Fusionism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusionism
Albert Jay Nock and The Remnant: https://mises.org/library/isaiahs-job
Chile rewriting its constitution: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/chilean-congressional-council-finalizes-new-draft-constitution-again-2023-10-30/

May 14, 2025 • 37min
James Tooley and Robyn Mulcahy - Why Do Families Choose Private Education?
In a special episode of the Curious Task, Matt sits down with James Tooley and Robyn Mulcahy at Blueberry Creek Forest School and Nature Centre to discuss the benefits of private education, outdoor education programs including forest schools and the history of approaches around the globe that strive to offer students a more well-rounded alternative to government schools.
References:
James’ profile at the University of Buckingham:
https://www.buckingham.ac.uk/directory/professor-james-tooley/
Robyn’s bio on re-cognition:
https://re-cognition.ca/portfolio-item/educators/
Blueberry Creek Nature Centre:
https://re-cognition.ca/home-page/blueberry-creek-forest-and-nature-centre/
James’ Book “The Beautiful Tree”:
https://a.co/d/9SbGCMp
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May 7, 2025 • 1h 1min
Alan Elrod - How Should Liberals Think About Children?
Janet speaks with Alan Elrod to explore how classical liberalism understands the role of children in a free society. They discuss the liberal view of children as future autonomous individuals, the responsibilities of both parents and the state in their development, and how education sits at the center of ongoing ideological battles. Elrod unpacks the liberal commitment to individual flourishing and critiques contemporary efforts to politicize childhood through authoritarian or illiberal frameworks.
References
“Children Are the Future: Authoritarianism, Culture War and Making Model Citizens” by Alan Elrod
https://www.liberalcurrents.com/children-are-the-future-authoritarianism-culture-war-and-making-model-citizens/
“Parents, Government and Children: Authority over Education in the Liberal Pluralist State” by William A. Galston (Chapter in Liberal Pluralism)
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/liberal-pluralism/parents-government-and-children-authority-over-education-in-the-liberal-pluralist-state/4FEF2172B5BD8B088A4D0558C11E1A1B
The Open Society and Its Enemies by Karl Popper
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/O/bo3619943.html
Democratic Education by Amy Gutmann
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt7sdfv
On Liberty by John Stuart Mill
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/34901
Taking Responsibility for Children edited by Samantha Brennan and Robert Noggle
https://www.wlupress.wlu.ca/Books/T/Taking-Responsibility-for-Children
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Apr 30, 2025 • 1h 8min
Chris Freiman — Is it Okay to Ignore Politics?
In this conversation from 2020, Alex Aragona speaks with Christopher Freiman as he explores why you might be happier, and ultimately contribute more to society, if you choose to ignore politics.
References from Episode 31 with Chris Freiman:
You can purchase Chris Freiman’s book when it’s out here
You can check out the Bleeding Heart Libertarians blog here
You can purchase Bryan Caplan’s book ‘The Myth of the Rational Voter’ on Amazon Canada here