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Dec 11, 2024 • 52min

Special: Lessons from the 2024 National Teacher of the Year, with Missy Testerman

This week, we’re highlighting an episode of Beyond My Years, our sibling podcast that gives you exclusive access to all the wisdom of veteran educators. Beyond My Years host, Ana Torres, learns from the best as she sits down with 2024 National Teacher of the Year Missy Testerman. Missy teaches Ana about being open to new ideas and perspectives, offers tips on building relationships with families, and discusses the importance of slowing down. Missy doesn’t shy away from tough topics, like managing the “who knows best” struggles among administrators, teachers, and parents, and knowing when it’s time to step away from teaching, In addition, Classroom Insider Eric Cross and Ana discuss understanding your community, being more flexible in presenting your lessons, and seeking mentorship and continuous growth. Show notes:Connect with Missy TestermanInstagram: @missytesterman2024ntoyLinkedIn: @missy-testermanX: @missytestermanSubscribe to Beyond My Years https://amplify.com/beyond-my-yearsFollow us on Instagram @amplify.education Connect with Eric Cross: https://www.ericcross.org/ Connect with Ana Torres: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anayansi-ana-torres-m-ed-26a10654/Quotes:“Find a mentor. Someone you trust. Listen to that person, watch that person, ask that person questions. You know, you don't have to figure this out on your own. People want to help you and you have to take that help. It's not a sign of weakness. It's a sign that you want to be better.” —Missy Testerman“I want them to be proud of where they came from, always, because that's part of their story. It's always going to be an important part of their story.” —Missy Testerman“I have no magic answers. I have some experiences and I have a little bit of wisdom from three decades of time spent in the education field, but I absolutely do not have it all figured out.” —Missy Testerman“The reality is that the journey toward wisdom in any career, especially in education, has to be slow and steady.” —Missy Testerman
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Nov 27, 2024 • 44min

S9 E7: Neurodiversity and the reading brain, with Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D.

Ioulia Kovelman, Ph.D., is a developmental cognitive neuroscientist at the University of Michigan, specializing in literacy development for neurodiverse and multilingual students. She highlights how children's brains adapt during reading and the unique challenges faced by dyslexic learners. Ioulia emphasizes the importance of personalized literacy instruction and how different languages engage various cognitive 'muscles.' Ultimately, she underscores the collaborative relationship between scientists, teachers, and students in advancing literacy education.
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Nov 13, 2024 • 37min

S9 E6: Making high-quality text free and accessible, with Susanne Nobles

In this engaging conversation, Susanne Nobles, Chief Academic Officer at ReadWorks and expert in educational research, discusses the importance of making high-quality texts accessible to all students. She highlights the value of the Article-A-Day program, which enhances students' knowledge and vocabulary while supporting teachers. Nobles emphasizes how children can discern quality in texts and shares insights on creating Spanish-English materials for bilingual learners. She offers thoughtful advice on ensuring text quality to foster a genuine love for reading.
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Oct 30, 2024 • 37min

S9 E5: What makes a literate brain, with Lori Josephson

Lori Josephson, a literacy specialist and author of "Calling All Neurons! How Reading and Spelling Happen," explores the fascinating connection between neurons and literacy. She shares her journey in creating an accessible resource about the neuroscience of reading. Lori discusses the importance of involving everyone in a student's literacy journey and offers strategies for helping older elementary students who struggle with foundational skills. This engaging conversation bridges the gap between reading and spelling, emphasizing innovative approaches to literacy education.
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Oct 16, 2024 • 53min

S9 E4: Comprehension is not a skill, with Hugh Catts, Ph.D.

In this episode Susan Lambert is joined by Hugh Catts, Ph.D., professor at Florida State University, to break down what comprehension is and bust some myths around what it isn’t. With a family history of dyslexia, he has a personal connection to the topic that led him into research in language sciences and language disorders. He discusses how his findings moved him away from viewing comprehension as simply a “component of reading” but rather something entirely separate—a condition created over time, defined by purpose, and influenced by prior knowledge. Together, Susan and Hugh address many comprehension-related contexts, such as the simple view of reading, the five pillars of reading, and comprehension’s relationship to knowledge building. Hugh also gives listeners practical advice for helping students suss out their comprehension before reading, and he clarifies why understanding the standard of coherence is important.Show notes:Submit your literacy questions for a chance to win!Read: Rethinking How to Promote Reading Comprehension by Hugh CattsRead: The Simple View of Reading: Advancements and False Impressions by Hugh CattsFollow Hugh on X: @CattsHughQuotes: “If I was going to define comprehension, it's not a single thing. I mean, that's the problem. We want it to be a single thing, but it depends upon what you're reading and why you're reading it.” –Hugh Catts, Ph.D.“What comprehension is is the interaction of what you bring into that reading situation and what you already know about it and your motivation and purpose to comprehend it.” –Hugh Catts, Ph.D.“There's just not enough mental reserve to be able to build that meaning that quickly. So it helps tremendously that you have some knowledge about it beforehand. That knowledge gives you a place to put information. So when you read about something, it gives you storage for the information. It's kind of like a cubby hole that you put the mail in, in an office.” ––Hugh Catts, Ph.D.Episode timestamps* 02:00 Introduction: Who is Hugh Catts?03:00 Personal Connection to Dyslexia07:00 Rethinking comprehension as a component of reading11:00 Vocabulary and comprehension15:00 Comprehension as a condition you create16:00 Language comprehension and the simple view of reading19:00 Differences in types of comprehension26:00 What comprehension is and isn’t32:00 Thinking deeply39:00 Background knowledge and comprehension42:00 Automatic inferencing 50:00 Final thoughts*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute
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Oct 2, 2024 • 44min

S9 E3: Know the non-negotiables in a program aligned to the Science of Reading, with Kari Kurto

On this episode, Kari Kurto, National Science of Reading Project Director at The Reading League, discusses The Reading League’s curriculum evaluation tool, which assesses a curriculum’s research-based practices. Kurto's conversation with Susan Lambert touches on her background teaching students with dyslexia, the non-negotiables in curriculum aligned to the Science of Reading, and how educators can use information about an evaluated curriculum to inform instruction. While Kurto stresses that no program is perfect, she and her colleagues have worked to equip educators with a tool to more easily and objectively access information when making curriculum choices.. Show notes:Submit your Science of Reading questions for a chance to win!Submit your literacy questions for a chance to win!eBook: Science of Reading: Defining Guide from The Reading LeagueThe Reading League’s Curriculum Evaluation GuidelinesReading League CompassSubscribe to The Reading League’s newsletterQuotes: “Just because we have this report and we say, ‘All right, this curriculum has all the stuff,’ if you don't teach it, then you're a red flag of your own.” —Kari Kurto“It's a movement of improvement, right? We're constantly striving to improve. And don't give up. Share your stories; share your success stories.” —Kari Kurto“Thank you to those folks who have been listening. Thank you to the folks who are curious about learning more, those who have spent years implementing and tweaking and improving literacy outcomes for our country's next generation. I mean, that's huge.” —Kari KurtoEpisode timestamps* 02:00 Introduction: Who is Kari Kurto?08:00 Teaching kids with dyslexia, what they need to learn to read10:00 Reading league defining guide11:00 Curriculum review tool16:00 Determining which programs to review20:00 Using the curriculum review tool as professional development21:00 Non-negotiables in a science of reading curriculum24:00 How to use the information from a program evaluation30:00 Long-term plans of the navigation report tool32:00 The reporting team34:00 The Reading League compass37:00 The Reading League journal40:00 Final Advice*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute
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Sep 18, 2024 • 55min

S9 E2: Standards are the 'what' and curriculum is the 'how,' with Sue Pimentel

In this episode, Susan Lambert welcomes back Sue Pimentel to discuss the history and impact of the Common Core State Standards on English Language Arts and Literacy (ELA) education in the United States. Susan and Sue revisit what the standards were designed to focus on: knowledge building, college and career readiness, and fluency in both literary and informational texts. Their conversation covers the importance of text complexity, the lack of a research base to support leveled readers, and knowledge building as a matter of equity and content as a matter of access. While acknowledging the value of these standards, the discussion also highlights their limitations. Sue underscores the importance of always returning to the research to ensure students are truly learning, preparing them to navigate the world and ultimately, live happier lives.Show notes:Website: Knowledge Matters Review ToolListen: Season 4, Episode 5: Reading as liberation with Sue PimentelRead: “Standards Are Not Curriculum”Website: Knowledge Matters CampaignQuotes:“Vocabulary is how we describe concepts; it's how we know how to talk to one another.” —Sue Pimentel“What the standards say is, ‘Leveled texts are out and complex texts are in.’ There's no research behind assigning a level to students reading and then sort of imprisoning them in that.” —Sue Pimentel“The more stuff you know, the better you're able to navigate the world….and I think the happier life is. And certainly the happier kids' lives are when they're actually learning stuff.” —Sue PimentelEpisode timestamps*02:00 Looking Back at the Common Core State Standards for ELA04:00 Knowledge Building and Text Evidence08:00 Text Complexity and College Readiness14:00 Standards Organization23:00 Collaborative Effort in Standards Development26:00 Integrating Standards into Instruction26:00 The Importance of Contextual Learning27:00 Challenges with Early Curriculum Implementation31:00 Standards vs. Curriculum35:00 The Role of Knowledge Building in Literacy50:00 Final Thoughts and Advice*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute
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Sep 4, 2024 • 42min

S9 E1: Literacy as a catalyst for change, with Ray James

In the Season 9 premiere of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert speaks with Ray James, Head of School at The Ansley School, about the transformative impact of literacy instruction. The Ansley School, which serves children experiencing homelessness, has made evidence-based literacy instruction a key piece of its efforts to foster profound educational and community change. Ray shares his journey and explores how a focus on literacy provides benefits that extend beyond the classroom to the broader community. This episode underscores the importance of foundational literacy skills and sets the stage for a new season dedicated to a literacy reboot.Show notes:Submit your literacy questions for a chance to win!The Ansley School Instagram): @theansleyschool Ray’s Instagram: @the_rayvolutionWebsite: https://theansleyschool.org/Quotes:"If you don't get reading right in an elementary school, every piece of the school suffers." —Ray James"We’re not just doing school, but educating people. I think a lot of people do school, we’re trying to educate our community holistically."—Ray James"Education isn't just about academics, it's about creating a safe place and providing holistic, evidence-based literacy instruction that catalyzes real change."—Ray JamesEpisode timestamps*01:00 Season nine: Reading reboot02:00 Introduction: Who is Ray James?04:00 Ray James' journey from politics to education06:00 The Boyce L. Ansley School community10:00 Support structures for families13:00 Transforming literacy at The Ansley School20:00 Impact of literacy initiatives29:00 Future goals and vision for The Ansley School40:00 Season nine: Looking ahead*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute
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Aug 21, 2024 • 51min

Summer '24 Interlude E3: Training teachers well from the start, with Lisa Lenhart and Rebecca Tolson

In this Science of Reading: The Podcast episode, Susan Lambert speaks with Rebecca Tolson and Lisa Lenhart about their roles at the University of Akron's newly established Center for Structured Literacy. They discuss their personal journeys in literacy education, the large grant received from the Ohio Department of Higher Education, and how the Center aims to prepare pre-service teachers using the Science of Reading and structured literacy. Rebecca and Lisa elaborate on the faculty’s training program, curriculum updates, and the potential community impact. The conversation also touches on the emotional and professional challenges in shifting to evidence-based practices, the history of literacy legislation in Ohio, and the Center's long-term goals—including IDA accreditation and expanding their impact on both pre-service and in-service educators.Show Notes The Reading League: What is the Science of Reading?E-books from the Center for Dyslexia at Middle Tennessee State UniversityOhio’s Dyslexia GuidebookRead Ohio WebsiteInternational Dyslexia Foundation: Knowledge and Practice Standards for Teachers of ReadingQuotes“We're also making sure that our students are prepared in structured literacy, not just to one program, so they're able to understand the structure and adopt it to any program any district is using.” —Lisa Lenhart“The Center for Structured Literacy is about empowering teachers at the onset—bachelor's degree. If districts have to retrain them after they graduate, then we're not doing something right.” —Rebecca Tolson‘The more I learn, the better I'm at my craft and my teaching for my students.” —Rebecca Tolson“It takes the right person leading you and it takes hard conversations of what we believe.” —Lisa LenhartTimestamps*02:00 Introduction: Who is Rebecca Tolson?04:00 Introduction: Who is Lisa Lenhart?05:00 Overview: University of Akron Center for Structured Literacy11:00 Overhauling an undergraduate program15:00 Origin Story: Center for Structured Literacy20:00 A Passion for the Science of Reading23:00 Intersecting goals: Center for Structured Literacy and the state of Ohio27:00 The importance of training teachers well the first time33:00 Training teachers to encounter schools with a variety of approaches to literacy36:00 Long-term goals for the center39:00 How to get more educators prepared to teach with evidence-based practices41:00 The importance of having hard conversations*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute
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Aug 14, 2024 • 54min

Beyond My Years: Teaching with heart, starring Joyce Abbott

Check out Amplify’s new podcast, Beyond My Years— host and educator Ana Torres seeks out educational insights and hard-won lessons directly from people who have thrived for decades in the classroom: seasoned educators.On this premiere episode, Ana soaks up wisdom from Joyce Abbott, an educator so passionate about her students that she inspired one of them to go on and write the hit show “Abbott Elementary.” Joyce tells all about her experiences working in a Title 1 school and what it means to know the community of Philadelphia. They also discuss how Joyce’s time serving in the military informed her work as an educator, how she transformed a challenging classroom during her first year, how it has felt to witness the success of “Abbott Elementary,” and her driving force: passion. At the end, Ana is joined by Classroom Insider Eric Cross to discuss some actionable teaching tips for bringing Joyce's lessons into your classroom.Show notes:Subscribe to Beyond My Years on AppleFollow Beyond My Years on SpotifyWebsite: Beyond My Years

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