
The Mockingcast
The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at www.mbird.com.
Audio production provided by TJ Hester.
Latest episodes

May 17, 2022 • 1h 10min
Episode 229: The Opposite of Adulting
In which RJ, Sarah and Dave talk insane crafts, normie churches, dying neuroscientists, the healing power of children's books and hope in a weary world.
Click here to respond to the opening appeal and support The Mockingcast.
Click here to order a copy of The Success & Failure Issue of The Mockingbird Magazine.
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Click here to listen to the recordings from our recent New York Conference.
Click here to read the Vanity Fair interview with Kelly Williams Brown.
Click here to read Brad East's post about Church for Normies.
Click here to read David Linden's piece in The Atlantic, "A Neuroscientist Prepares for Death."
Click here to read the NY Times report on the $200,000 Facelift.
Click here to read Joey Goodall's article on Viewing the World With the Eyes of an 8-Year Old.
Click here to listen to Krista Tippett's interview with Kate DiCamillo.
Click here to read David Newheiser's piece on An Uncertain Hope.

Apr 27, 2022 • 1h 13min
Episode 228: Failed Saviors Anonymous
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk library fines, viral dynamics, sad teenagers, and Easter vendettas. Also, Sarah has quite a run-in at the airport.
Click here to read the report about returned library books in NYC.
Click here to read Matt Pearson's commentary on the returned library books for Mbird.
Click here to read Virginia Heffernan's essay for Wired about The End of Alcohol.
Click here to read Jonathan Haidt's essay on Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid.
Click here to read Derek Thompson's report on Sad Teenagers.
Click here to watch/listen to RJ's Easter sermon. And here to listen to Dave's post-Easter one.
For more info about the NYC Conference, click here.

Apr 1, 2022 • 1h 10min
Episode 227: Goblin Forgiveness
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk goblin modes, unproductive sabbaticals, shaming complexes, and historical miracles. Also, Sarah takes a tour of a church crypt, and RJ sees yellow (and a lot of movies).
Click here to read The Guardian's piece on Goblin Mode.
Click here to read Peter Seversen's post for Mockingbird on The Gift of Leisure in a Hustling World.
Click here for Becca Rothfeld's rundown of The Shaming Industrial Complex.
Click here to read Aja Romano's column for Vox, Everyone Wants Forgiveness, But No One Is Being Forgiven.
Click here to read Rinee DiResta's piece for The Atlantic, "The Ukraine Briefly Put America's Culture War in Perspective."
Click here for David Clay's post on God's Hand in Human History.
*For more details, or to pre-register for our upcoming conference in New York City, please click here. *

Mar 16, 2022 • 1h 10min
Episode 226: No Fanny Packs in Heaven
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk healthy forgetfulness, vengeful superheroes, theories of enchantment, and personalized religion. Also, Dave breaks some troubling news to a bunch of children.
Click here for more details or to pre-register for our upcoming conference in New York City (April 28-30).
Click here to read the NY Times column on forgetting the pandemic.
Click here to read Blake Nail's review of The Batman on Mbird.
Click here to read The Atlantic's profile of Chloe Valdary and her Theory of Enchantment.
Click here to read Richard Beck's newsletter about Joel Osteen and CCM.
Click here to read Sarah's column on The Relief of Lent.
Click here to learn more about The Tent to which Sarah is contributing.

Mar 2, 2022 • 1h 11min
Episode 225: Stop Nagging Me (and Start Nagging God)
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk cheugy parents, happy churchgoers, urgent prayers, and long defeats. Also, while Dave makes a Pink Floyd faux-pas, RJ does some stitching.
Click here to read Katie Couric's confession of cheugy-ness.
Click here to read the NY Times Magazine's interview with Laurie Santos.
Click here to read The School of Life's entry On Nagging.
Click here to read Torey Lightcap's piece on Polite vs Urgent Worship in America Magazine.
Click here to read Jason Micheli's post on why Nobody Is Making a Docuseries about Ordinary Churches.

Feb 15, 2022 • 1h 9min
Episode 224: The Least Pleasurable Sin
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk porch pirates, fading friendships, trivialized trauma, and hopeful humor. Also, God works through a robot vacuum cleaner.
Click here to read Meghan O'Gieblyn's answer to the question "Do Good Doorbell Cams Make Good Neighbors?" in Wired
Click here to read Jennifer Senior's essay on "It's Your Friends Who Break Your Heart" in The Atlantic.
Click here to read Lexi Pandell's column on "How 'Trauma' Became the Word of the Decade" in Vox
Click here to watch Stephen Colbert's surprising response to Dua Lipa's question about humor and faith.
For more information about Dave speaking at RJ's church on Feb 26&27, visit the website for Holy Trinity Episcopal Church in West Palm Beach, FL.

Feb 1, 2022 • 1h 4min
Episode 223: Love Is Downwardly Mobile
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Wordle distractions, parenting silos, mental midwinters, and undeserving fairy tales. Also, Sarah recalls the glory of heads-up seven-up.
Click here to read Charlie Warzel's newsletter about Wordle backlash.
Click here to read Anne Helen Petersen's newsletter on Screaming Parents.
Click here to read The School of Life's entry on Mental Midwinters.
Click here to read Benjamin Self's piece on Fairy Tales
Click here to read Stephanie Phillips's essay on Divine Interruptions.

Jan 18, 2022 • 1h 5min
Episode 222: The Best Place to Cry in Public
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk habit formation, performative meetings, Latin American religion, and the benefits of falling apart in church. Also, George Costanza chimes in with some tips on working less.
Click here for more information about our Tulsa Conference (1/21-22).
Click here for more information about the Same Old Song "Preaching During Lent" virtual event.
Click here to read Sarah's post about "A Light Year."
Click here to read Faith Hill's column on how "New Years' Resolutions Are Not the Vibe of 2022".
Click here to read the Economist piece on "The Rise of Performative Work."
Click here to read The Wall Street Journal's investigation into Why the Catholic Church Is Losing South America.
Click here to read Mallory McDuff's article on Why I Cry in Church.

Dec 7, 2021 • 1h 11min
Episode 221: The Fastest Way to End a Miracle
To respond to the opening appeal and support the work of Mockingbird, please click here. All gifts are tax-deductible.
Our last episode of the year in which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk mallstalgia, gift aversions, parent-child privilege gaps, and gambling addictions.
Click here to read Jason Tebbe's piece on mallstalgia for Tropics of Meta.
Click here to read Sarah Hinlicky Wilson's confession, "I Hate Presents."
Click here to read Esau McCaulley's op-ed on how to raise middle-class kids if you grew up poor.
Click here to read Stephen Marche's article about how America's Gambling Addiction is Metastasizing in The Atlantic.
Click here to read Sam Bush's reflection on Risky Business.

Nov 15, 2021 • 1h 6min
Episode 220: Beauty, Betrayal, and Burnout
In which Dave, RJ, and Sarah talk college essays, supermodel insecurities, ferocious coziness, and because-because propositions. Also, Sarah attends a Renaissance Festival and Dave visits some European comic book stores.
Click here to read Joseph E Davis's piece on "The Studied Art of the College Application Essay"
Click here to read Carrie Battan's review of Emily Ratajkowski's book in The New Yorker
Click here to read Kathryn Jezer-Morton's newsletter asking "Is Cozy Season a Cry for Help?"
Click here to read Nadia Bolz-Weber's sermon "Sin Boldly"
This episode is dedicated to the memory of John Owen, a member of the Condon family who died recently.