
The Mockingcast
The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at www.mbird.com.
Audio production provided by TJ Hester.
Latest episodes

Feb 14, 2023 • 1h 10min
Episode 239: So Ruined, So Loved
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk NBA scoring records, Manhattan treadmills, imposter phenomena, and children with addiction. Also, a cat named Esther says the Sinner's Prayer.
Click here to read what Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Thinks About LeBron James Breaking his NBA Scoring Record
Click here to read Caitlin Moscatello's essay "The Fleishman Effect."
Click here to read Wesley Hill's reflection on the theology of Esther, "'Secular' Neglect, Salvation Anyway."
Click here to read "Why Everyone Feels Like They're Faking It" by Leslie Jamison in The New Yorker.
Click here to read Cole Huffman's testimony about his son on Mbird, "XL Grace."

Jan 31, 2023 • 1h 7min
Episode 238: Heaven Is a Sleepover
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk sleepover stories, mindfulness apps, prison ministries, and dangerous cliches. Also, Sarah lipsyncs to Amy Grant while Dave avoids the noid.
Click here to read Erika Christakis' Case for Sleepovers in The Atlantic
Click here to read the Dear Cloud column in Wired about mental health apps.
Click here to read Rina Raphael's Well to Do newsletter.
Click here to read the second installment of Richard Beck's "Reading the Bible with the Damned" series.
Click here to read the third installment.
Click here to read Todd Brewer's piece for Mbird "Comforting the Comfortable".
Click here to listen to the sermon Sarah references by Jacob Smith.

Jan 17, 2023 • 1h 8min
Episode 237: Missing the Miracles
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk one-downing, dry January, raging creatives, and Nigerian faith healers. Also, Sarah reveals how to get people to care, and Dave finally says what we're all thinking about RJ.
Correction: around the 30 min mark, when Dave says "Johnny Walker" he meant to say "Jack Daniels."
Click here to watch the clip of Colbert speaking with Quinta Brunson
Click here to read The Atlantic interview about Dry January
Click here to read Freddie deBoer's newsletter on the Raging Creative Underclass
Click here to read Molly Worthen's piece about Miracles in the NY Times.
Click here to read Jim Nestingen's forward to Free to Be

Dec 20, 2022 • 1h 13min
Episode 236: Dimming the Gaslights
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk words of the year, overly honest friendships, gift giving snafus, and Rob Delaney's late son Henry. Also, RJ gets chosen while Sarah throws shade at some Swifties.
Click here to watch The Chosen
Click here to check out Kobe Campbell's Instagram, and here to pre-order her book, Why Am I Like This?
Click here to listen to the episode of Heavyweight Dave mentions, and here to order the audio of Nick Cave's Faith Hope and Carnage
Click here to read about Merriam-Webster's Word of the Year
Click here Stephanie Murray's piece on Friendship in The Atlantic
Click here to read "Unpacking the Psychology of Gift Giving" by Kate Murphy in the NY Times
Click here to read about The Upsides of Feeling Small via Robert Fisher and the BBC
Click here to read Drew Colby's piece on Rob Delaney's Water in the Desert on Mbird

Dec 6, 2022 • 1h 10min
Episode 235: Disco Advent
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk sleep tracking, the therapy/gospel dichotomy, public apologies, and the Second Coming. Also, Sarah almost ruins a baby shower.
**Click here to respond to the opening appeal to support Mbird
**Click here to read (part of) CJ's opener for the Sleep Issue of the magazine
Click here to order your copy of the Sleep Issue today
Click here to read Tara Isabella Burton's piece for the NY Times, "The Problem With Letting Therapy-Speak Invade Everything"
Click here to read Brad East's post "A Therapeutic Church Is an Atheist Church"
Click here to watch the trailer for the documentary Stutz, directed by Jonah Hill
Click here to read Jill Lepore's essay on "The Case Against the Twitter Apology"

Nov 8, 2022 • 1h 12min
Episode 234: Boundaries Schmoundaries
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk the moneyballing of everything, the perils of oversharing, the contradictions of adult orphanhood, and the beauty/difficulty of Sunday School. Also, RJ overshares some feelings about our national pastime.
Click here to read Derek Thompson's newsletter on what Moneyball-for-Everything Has Done to American Culture.
Click here to read Michael Waters' piece in the Atlantic on The Decline of Etiquette and the Rise of 'Boundaries'.
Click here to read Kathryn Jezer-Morton's column for The Cut on Adult Orphans.
Click here to read Jane Grizzle's post for Mbird on Pumpkins, Unicorns, and Saints of God.
Click here to read Todd Brewer's piece on Preaching That Connects.

Oct 24, 2022 • 1h 10min
Episode 233: The Main Difference Between a Wedding and a Funeral
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk moralized therapy, misunderstood jobs, and the underrated upsides of an altar call. Also, Sarah laments the snow crabs while RJ loses a wrestling match.
Click here to read Mychal Denzel Smith's article "Why Do People Think Going to Therapy Makes You a Good Person?".
Click here to read Huw Green's article "We Have Reached Peak 'Mental Health'".
Click here to read The Atlantic's poll on "What People Don't Understand About Your Job".
Click here to read Russell Moore's column on Bringing Back Altar Calls.
Click here to read Ken Sundet Jones's piece on Mbird, "Where God Met Me".

Sep 27, 2022 • 1h 11min
Episode 232: Church of the Holy Dysfunction
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk vanishing cursive, gentle parenting, church families, and grieving rockstars. Also, RJ reveals why he doesn't like writing thank-you notes, while Sarah sings one, er, hell of a spiritual.
Click here to read Drew Gilpin Faust's piece on how Gen Z Never Learned to Read Cursive in The Atlantic.
Click here to read Jessica Winter's profile of The Harsh World of "Gentle Parenting" in The New Yorker.
Click here to read Sarah Hinlicky Wilson's piece for Mbird, "One Big (Unhappy) Family?".
Click here to read the NY Times Magazine's interview with Nick Cave.
Click here to order his book Faith, Hope, and Carnage.

24 snips
Sep 12, 2022 • 1h 10min
Episode 231: Low Anthropology Is My Love Language
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk deceased royalty, love languages, low anthropology, moralized effort, and virtuous bewilderment. Also, Sarah calls the midwife while RJ goes insane.
Click here to read Peter Coy's newsletter about The Moralization of Effort.
Click here to read The NY Times article "The Sixth Love Language Does Not Exist" by Alisha Haridasani Gupta.
Click here to read Jane Grizzle's piece about The Bear.
Click here to watch episode 3 of the first season of BBC's Call the Midwife.
Click here to read Alan Levinovitz's essay In Praise of Bewilderment in The Hedghog Review.
Click here or here to order a copy of Low Anthropology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Others (and Yourself) by David Zahl. Please help us spread the word by sharing and reviewing, too!

Aug 29, 2022 • 1h 12min
Episode 230: The Gospel of Ineffective Altruism
In their first episode following the summer hiatus RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Frederick Buechner, worker productivity scores, Effective Altruism, and Afrikaner sadness. Also, Sarah's sabbatical diverts her somewhere... fabulous.
Recommendations: The Brothers Zahl podcast, Soultime, Radical Love by Zachary Levi, Better Call Saul, and The Neal Morse Band
Click here to read David Brooks' "The Man Who Found His Inner Depths".
Click here to read Mischa Willet's "Corresponding with Buechner".
Click here to read about The Rise of Worker Productivity Score by Jodi Kantor and Arya Sundaramin the NY Times Magazine.
Click here to read about The Reluctant Prophet of Effective Altuisim by Gideon Lewis-Kraus
Click here to read Eve Fairbanks's piece taking the pulse of contemporary Afrikaners in The Atlantic.