

The Art of Growth
Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman
The Art of Growth started by Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman works with teams to develop Team Health and individuals for self-mastery and social awareness. We are an IEA (International Enneagram Association) school for Enneagram Certification. With organizations, we have a detailed roadmap to change the culture of your team and improve communication, conflict, trust, and personality
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Aug 18, 2025 • 57min
Wisdom of Nature- With Ben Campbell
Learn more about Ben HEREORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training One-on-one coaching Enneagram Certification AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Aug 11, 2025 • 54min
IFS and the Enneagram with Guest Joan Ryan
Learn more about Joan Ryan HERE.ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training One-on-one coaching Enneagram Certification AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Jul 21, 2025 • 39min
How You Became You
Explore the three components of identity: core, context, and construct. Delve into how innate traits and environmental influences shape who we are. Learn about the power of the Enneagram and personal choices in redefining identity. Discover how our interpretations and awareness can lead to transformative change. Engage with the balance of nature and nurture, and appreciate the delicate interplay between societal systems and personal agency. Ultimately, identity is a journey of discovery and continuous evolution.

Jun 30, 2025 • 1h 11min
From Attention to Agency
Jeff Cook, a philosophy professor and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast, delves into the nuances of attention and agency. He discusses the tension between personal desires and societal expectations, sharing insights on how distinct Enneagram types influence our perceptions of freedom. The conversation explores philosophical ideas about free will, along with practical advice on interrupting compulsive behaviors. Finally, Jeff emphasizes the importance of self-work to cultivate trustworthy desires that allow for genuine contribution to others.

Jun 17, 2025 • 1h 1min
Wisdom (and faux wisdom) in Therapy- with Michelle Pruett
In this episode of The Art of Growth, Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman sit down once again with therapist Michelle Pruett to explore “faux wisdom” in the therapy world—those phrases, concepts, and quick fixes that sound good but miss the heart of true healing. Together, they unpack how readiness, resistance, and relational depth play vital roles in transformation. They also revisit the importance of calibrated support and challenge, the misuse of trauma language, and how timing matters more than advice.🔗 Listen to Michelle’s podcast “Threads of Connection”🔁 Catch Michelle’s episode on Attachment Theory with The Art of GrowthAbout the Guest:Michelle Pruett, M.Ed., Ed.S., LPC, is a licensed counselor in private practice in Birmingham, AL. For more than 20 years, she has worked to make a difference for individuals, families, and couples by helping them heal from trauma and build healthy attachment. Michelle provides therapy, training, and therapist supervision to share her passion for helping people of all ages find healing.She is trained in Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), Trust-Based Relational Intervention (TBRI), and Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT), and she recently earned her Art of Growth certification.Learn more about her work at www.pruettcounseling.comSupport the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

Jun 10, 2025 • 1h 1min
I am the Hero, the Victim, and the Villain
Explore the powerful narratives of hero, victim, and villain and how they shape our lives. Discover the impact of storytelling on emotions and group dynamics. Learn to recognize when you're embodying each role and how context influences perception. The hosts discuss the fine line between true victimhood and patterns that limit personal agency. Uncover the importance of transforming pain to avoid transmitting it. Finally, gain insights on reclaiming internal agency and embracing all facets of your identity.

Jun 3, 2025 • 59min
Wisdom of Desire- with Jeff Cook
Jeff Cook is a professor of philosophy and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast. He lives in Greeley, Colorado, and is the author of three books, including Around the Circle | An Enneagram Book, available June 2025. www.aroundthecircle.orgORDER OUR Hunter, Farmer, and Teamer BOOK: HERE Get Enneagram Certified HERE.www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. Go to our website to sign up for:Corporate Training One-on-one coaching Enneagram Certification AND MORE...Support the showhttps://www.theartofgrowth.org/

May 27, 2025 • 52min
Wisdom of Doubting Your Bias with Tyler Zach (EnneaSummit)
Tyler Zach, an Enneagram coach and former pastor, shares his transformative journey from ministry to leading EnneaSummits. He emphasizes the importance of embracing diverse perspectives over singular authority. Tyler discusses how humility and curiosity pave the way for wisdom, illustrating personal growth from a multi-ethnic church merger. He highlights navigating doubt in groupthink environments and advocates for cultivating everyday diversity to enrich understanding. Ultimately, Tyler encourages listeners to view uncertainty as a sign of growing wisdom.

May 19, 2025 • 1h 18min
Wisdom of the Three Centers
Serena Heroy, a heart-centered Enneagram practitioner, joins to share insights on empathy and emotional connection through the three-centers framework. The discussion explores the distinction between wisdom and cleverness, emphasizing how true wisdom requires integration of head, heart, and body. Serena highlights the heart's role in inspiration and decision-making, while advocating for genuine empathy over superficial reactions. The conversation also delves into practical practices for honing body wisdom and the importance of collective flourishing in leadership and relationships.

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May 12, 2025 • 1h 3min
Three Pillars of Wisdom: Truth, Beauty, and Goodness
Delve into the pillars of wisdom: truth, beauty, and goodness. Discover how internal gut sense and external insights shape clarity. Explore the Enneagram's role in accessing deeper wisdom. Reflect on truth as a humble confrontation and the importance of admitting ignorance. Experience beauty through art and nature, which fosters new perceptions and healing. Discuss the embodiment of goodness and its evaluation by outcomes. Ultimately, learn to integrate all three pillars for a complete understanding of wisdom.


