

Leading Second Podcast
Brandon Stewart
A monthly podcast to help church leaders thrive in the second chair.
Leading Second exists to equip local churches everywhere to raise up UNCOMMON leaders. In a culture that often celebrates individual achievement and being on top, Leading Second is here to raise up the kind of leaders every pastor would kill to have on the team. Leaders who are all-in, heart and soul for Jesus, His Church, and their team’s mission. In an ever changing world, we have conversations in real-time with pastors and leaders on topics such as church leadership, leading when you’re not in charge, healthy team culture, and how to lead in the second chair. To learn more, visit leadingsecond.com.
Leading Second exists to equip local churches everywhere to raise up UNCOMMON leaders. In a culture that often celebrates individual achievement and being on top, Leading Second is here to raise up the kind of leaders every pastor would kill to have on the team. Leaders who are all-in, heart and soul for Jesus, His Church, and their team’s mission. In an ever changing world, we have conversations in real-time with pastors and leaders on topics such as church leadership, leading when you’re not in charge, healthy team culture, and how to lead in the second chair. To learn more, visit leadingsecond.com.
Episodes
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Dec 7, 2023 • 1h 5min
S6 Ep. 165 // Rich & Cass Langton on Leading Second as a Creative
On the creative team at a church, many different areas make a service and a weekend function. Rich and Cass Langton know this all too well. There can be a struggle to ensure there is alignment in the team to make sure the main goal is accomplished, to make Jesus known. Rich and Cass pour out their invaluable knowledge and wisdom in how to lead a creative team, with insights that go far beyond just the creatives in the Church.We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Nov 30, 2023 • 48min
S6 Ep. 164 // Dusty Dean on Winning with Your Family
There doesn’t have to be a battle over time between ministry and family. They can and should coexist if viewed and prioritized with purpose. Brandon and Dusty Dean, Lead Pastor at Heartland Church in Texas, reflect on their own lives growing up with parents in ministry, how they are approaching their own families, and how our kids can grow to love being a child of someone who is in ministry.We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast.

Nov 16, 2023 • 44min
S6 Ep. 163 // Leading Second Coaches on Alignment
Alignment is a critical issue for a leader. It’s true that every team member must have an aligned heart, but what if alignment is also an organizational issue? How can someone be aligned if they are unclear of what their authority and role is in the organization? Brandon, Jennifer and Matt Martin from NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX, and Nick Dekold from Lakeshore Church in Rockwall, TX sit down to discuss how they continue to work to have clarity, alignment, and security for everyone on their team.We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast.

Nov 9, 2023 • 36min
S6 Ep. 162 // Vance Roush on Leading Innovation from the Second Chair
As Second Chair Leaders, we are called to carry the vision of our leaders. But where does the idea of innovation play in the Second Chair? Vance Roush, Founder of Overflow and Executive Pastor at Vive Church in California, brings a fresh viewpoint on how to lead from the Second Chair by being an innovative visionary.We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast.

Nov 2, 2023 • 41min
S6 Ep. 161 // Jenni Catron on Giving Your Organization a Culture Check-Up
Every organization has a culture, whether it is by design or by default. When a team is working well together and fully aligned, the momentum towards the mission is unstoppable. Jenni Catron, founder of The 4 Sight Group, joins Brandon and Jennifer Martin, Executive Pastor at NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX, to talk about the value of culture in an organization.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Oct 26, 2023 • 1h 6min
S6 Ep. 160 // Rivers Church Team on Healthy Multisite Culture
Culture is a vital part of why anyone attaches themselves to anything. Establishing and maintaining a strong culture is vital to any church that wants to have a thriving ministry. Brandon is joined by Tracy Keene, Co-Pastor at StrongPoint Church in Columbus, OH, and they sit down with Adi and Claire Olivier, Lead Pastors at Rivers Church Kyalami in South Africa, to talk about ownership, culture, and honor. Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Oct 19, 2023 • 1h 12min
S6 Ep. 159 // Ask Us Anything with Brandon Stewart & L2 Team
It is so important for each of us to acknowledge that we need to learn from others who have walked and are walking in similar scenarios as we are. Brandon, Nichole Moore from Champion Center in Tacoma, WA, Kyle Heinecke from Fresh Life Church in Kalispell, MT, and Jon Hatto from Hillsong Canada walk us through some questions they have as well as their insight of different situations through their walk in ministry.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Oct 12, 2023 • 46min
S6 Ep. 158 // Dave Rich on Leading Second Through Legacy Giving
There are many different types of Second Chair Leaders. Different positions, different talents and abilities, and different avenues in which to serve and lead. Giving is not just a Biblical principle, but a very important leadership avenue in the Church. Malachi 3:10 says, "'Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,' says the Lord Almighty, 'and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.'" Dave Rich joins Brandon and Nichole Moore, Executive Pastor at Champion Centre, to talk about the importance of Legacy Giving for the Church.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Oct 5, 2023 • 45min
S6 Ep. 157 // Scott Riztheimer on The Journey to Predictable Success, and Where We Get Stuck Along the Way
Every leader is on a journey. Throughout the journey, it is important to know where you are, where you’ve been, and where you’re going. Scott Riztheimer, founder and CEO of Scale Architects, brings clarity on the stages of Predictable Success as well as some insight into how to walk through the stages of being stuck.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast

Sep 28, 2023 • 41min
S6 Ep. 156 // Matt & Jennifer Martin on Managing Frustration in Ministry
In ministry, we can get frustrated with people or situations around us. Matt and Jennifer Martin, Executive Pastors at NorthRock Church in San Antonio, TX, provide some invaluable insight, guidance, and entertaining stories to help us see that we aren’t alone in our frustration and how we can thrive in the presence of frustration.Find the episode guides at leadingsecond.com/podcast


